Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 12:50:14 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Why left-grouping of tanru?
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On Thursday, September 4, 2014 3:03:09 PM UTC-4, gejyspa wrote:
>
>   There are plenty of left groupings in English:
>
>   newspaper editor strike
>   electric light socket
>   bass guitar player
>   first base umpire
>   television series director
>   very fast typist
>
>   etc etc
>   The fact that you happened to picked examples that right grouping (and 
> btw, bright yellow star is LEFT grouping, not right.  The color is bright 
> yellow)
> is jsut from your own biases....  :-)
>             --gejyspa, 
>
>
I don't think so. First "bright yellow star" could mean "bright yellow" but 
more likely it means "bright star that is yellow". I think there is 
something important to notice about most of your examples. The first two 
words are very close to something we might hyphenate. ("very fast" is the 
clear exception, but very is an adverb.) And that goes to my point. It 
makes more sense if there where a word for this hyphenation. And we kind of 
already have that actually in `bo`. In these cases it would make more sense 
to have to use `bo` than it does for my cases.

Also this isn't just my bias. Although it is hard for me to speak for any 
language beyond English, but there are known patterns from which I am 
drawing my opinion. See http://www.lingref.com/cpp/wccfl/25/paper1473.pdf 
for example.


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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Thursday, September 4, 2014 3:03:09 PM UTC-4, gejyspa w=
rote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8e=
x;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; T=
here are plenty of left groupings in English:<div><br></div><div>&nbsp; new=
spaper editor strike</div><div>&nbsp; electric light socket</div><div>&nbsp=
; bass guitar player</div><div>&nbsp; first base umpire</div><div>&nbsp; te=
levision series director</div>
<div>&nbsp; very fast typist</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp; etc etc</div><=
div>&nbsp; The fact that you happened to picked examples that right groupin=
g (and btw, bright yellow star is LEFT grouping, not right. &nbsp;The color=
 is bright yellow)</div>
<div>is jsut from your own biases.... &nbsp;:-)</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nb=
sp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; --gejyspa,&nbsp;</div></div><div><br></div></block=
quote><div><br></div><div>I&nbsp;don't think so. First "bright yellow star"=
 could mean "bright yellow" but more likely it means "bright star that is y=
ellow". I think there is something important to notice about most of your e=
xamples. The first two words are very close to something we might hyphenate=
. ("very fast" is the clear exception, but very is an adverb.) And that goe=
s to my point. It makes more sense if there where a word for this hyphenati=
on. And we kind of already have that actually in `bo`. In these cases it wo=
uld make more sense to have to use `bo` than it does for my cases.</div><di=
v><br></div><div>Also this isn't just my bias. Although it is hard for me t=
o speak for any language beyond English, but there are known patterns from =
which I am drawing my opinion. See&nbsp;http://www.lingref.com/cpp/wccfl/25=
/paper1473.pdf for example.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div>

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