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Subject: Re: [lojban] Why left-grouping of tanru?
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On Thursday, September 4, 2014 2:26:15 PM UTC-4, la gleki wrote:
>
>
> Did you see the phrase {lo melbi cmalu nixli ckule}?
> It means in a "pretty way small girls' school". This is a clear case of 
> string modifiers one after another.
>
>
Yes, but I must be missing your point. If it were right grouped by default 
it would mean: (pretty (small (girls' school))). Which make sense, though 
it's unlikely the speaker meant the school was pretty --but that's the 
meaning. On the other hand left grouping means: (((pretty small) girls') 
school). Which is almost nonsensical --what's a pretty type-of small?
 

> In right grouping it'd be the same. Lojban uses {co} to change the 
> direction:
>
> {lo ckule co nixli co cmalu co melbi}
>
>
How does this get grouped?
 

> For previous examples:
>
> {lo karce co barda je xunre}.
>
>
> As you can see you still cannot delete {je}.
> One might imagine a language where {je} would be omitted, however, I 
> wonder why {je}, not {jo'u} or {joi} would be chosen for that.
>

Hmm.. maybe the confusion is that I don't mean putting the "adjective" 
after the word it modifies. I just mean applying the tenru to the right 
first.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>On Thursday, September 4, 2014 2:26:15 PM UTC-4, l=
a gleki wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-l=
eft: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>Did you see the phrase=
 {lo melbi cmalu nixli ckule}?</div><div>It means in a "pretty way small gi=
rls' school". This is a clear case of string modifiers one after another.</=
div>
<div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, but =
I must be missing your point. If it were right grouped by default it would =
mean: (pretty (small (girls' school))). Which make sense, though it's unlik=
ely the speaker meant the school was pretty --but that's the meaning. On th=
e other hand left grouping means: (((pretty small) girls') school). Which i=
s almost nonsensical --what's a pretty type-of small?</div><div>&nbsp;</div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;bo=
rder-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote"><div></div><div>In right grouping it'd be the same. Loj=
ban uses {co} to change the direction:</div><div><br></div><div>{lo ckule c=
o nixli co cmalu co melbi}</div><div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquo=
te><div><br></div><div>How does this get grouped?</div><div>&nbsp;</div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border=
-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div></div><div>For previous examples:</div><div>
<br></div><div>{lo karce co barda je xunre}.</div><div><br></div><div><br><=
/div><div>As you can see you still cannot delete {je}.</div><div>One might =
imagine a language where {je} would be omitted, however, I wonder why {je},=
 not {jo'u} or {joi} would be chosen for that.</div></div></div></div></blo=
ckquote><div><br></div><div>Hmm.. maybe the confusion is that I don't mean =
putting the "adjective" after the word it modifies. I just mean applying th=
e tenru to the right first.</div><div><br></div></div>

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