Received: from mail-pa0-f57.google.com ([209.85.220.57]:40454) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XPeFR-0001TS-JX for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 14:07:17 -0700 Received: by mail-pa0-f57.google.com with SMTP id lf10sf2278915pab.22 for ; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 14:07:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=eTkGUb2MSWtdAbhdOuA8LUX9LpuaO/PYSqceTlyesWY=; b=XiF1fqXtR0Of8PDP3XzEVs4aUr3JaKVSCmyLV0Ekxf42jEhqHXcZZY2SpleDw+XxbW 7sipVDVkTfIAOYd5ZiWY0JWfStVcy2DAHrIqk3xqYgl0F6bib+tyRDiV4HgL7puoBXU0 br4a0E07o6IozT7mYWoNLmy7ljKWqkAQEOpWPRQCjlHT8TzuGupWmAmXMeDTO4Rg85iT lGAPYzypbIwAo4OSNVR3H76N8pogssss5tpwcxo2ImdjoaOAkU7zeL4gb9jp5qpetVry oHXvJfvnzcgeEv94kTs8zlcntgazyJohtRXjRLZqRF1xl76PgacC7hYok4xnWQWL8gKX YmdA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=eTkGUb2MSWtdAbhdOuA8LUX9LpuaO/PYSqceTlyesWY=; b=VCluPaY9P/8N5Ka6GrAeYf2f2Ra7Pw8fVc2uFd8CdUIs3bB232YR7/MYLftcfPDdJf IpM+kcdwUpQU6a89P8WvlSf+F3yO4JJX6EsW8mhnP1fQvRjjQ238KTlh9janVjS9F444 leqxQfZR0ns3XxdX3HdUuPgytQMwKU8nlWCxt2/lJR7UD8GLquzZB7deFS0FXsBAR4hA 8uqronW/2nLiRITxOEIyXu2p2+pMp3/p4XQSaEmkD8jxYjKIU2BJqYVtbkdKVhpbltyI 6/uHvyiZxQ3Hi8kyrr3+SgEcqUJgNVEXhuwStz6fxvbA8Vo91psK92zPcIdL3yT+KefX 8mjw== X-Received: by 10.140.16.15 with SMTP id 15mr154471qga.3.1409864828308; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 14:07:08 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.82.228 with SMTP id h91ls485888qgd.77.gmail; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 14:07:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.30.201 with SMTP id d67mr86487qgd.8.1409864827257; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 14:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 14:07:06 -0700 (PDT) From: ianek To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <7d6dd4b2-faa9-4a60-a22b-aeb12ee4370e@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <8743b417-5e71-4199-bf00-439dac2936cf@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Trying to understand "lo mi jufra" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: janek37@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_737_1357046990.1409864826940" X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - ------=_Part_737_1357046990.1409864826940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thursday, September 4, 2014 8:10:27 AM UTC+2, la gleki wrote: > > >> >> {soi crano} is not Lojban, it's Loglan. Loglan didn't have attitudinals= =20 >> and they had to used {soi} for such things ({soi} is Loglanic version of= =20 >> {sei}). In Lojban it would be {sei cisma}, but nobody says that, because= we=20 >> have ui/u'i/zo'o etc. >> > > Loglan did have attitudinals. {ui} is taken from Loglan. Lojban just has= =20 > more of them. > That's new to me. I've heard that Lojban got the idea for attitudinals from= =20 L=C3=A1adan. selpa'i says that Loglan had no UI:=20 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/lojban/Btp9HnsUYRQ/88o000IeYkUJ --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_737_1357046990.1409864826940 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thursday, September 4, 2014 8:10:27 AM UTC+2, l= a gleki wrote:


{soi crano} is not Lojban, it's Loglan. Loglan didn't have at= titudinals and they had to used {soi} for such things ({soi} is Loglanic ve= rsion of {sei}). In Lojban it would be {sei cisma}, but nobody says that, b= ecause we have ui/u'i/zo'o etc.

Loglan did have attitudinals. {ui} i= s taken from Loglan. Lojban just has more of them.

That's new to me. I've heard that Lojban got the i= dea for attitudinals from L=C3=A1adan.

selpa'i says that Loglan had = no UI: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/lojban/Btp9HnsUYRQ/88o000IeYkU= J

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