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Subject: Re: [lojban] Trying to understand "lo mi jufra"
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2014-09-05 1:07 GMT+04:00 ianek <janek37@gmail.com>:

>
>
> On Thursday, September 4, 2014 8:10:27 AM UTC+2, la gleki wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> {soi crano} is not Lojban, it's Loglan. Loglan didn't have attitudinals
>>> and they had to used {soi} for such things ({soi} is Loglanic version o=
f
>>> {sei}). In Lojban it would be {sei cisma}, but nobody says that, becaus=
e we
>>> have ui/u'i/zo'o etc.
>>>
>>
>> Loglan did have attitudinals. {ui} is taken from Loglan. Lojban just has
>> more of them.
>>
>
> That's new to me. I've heard that Lojban got the idea for attitudinals
> from L=C3=A1adan.
>

Look at the dictionary:
http://math.boisestate.edu/~holmes/loglan.org/holmes_stuff/Peter%20Hill%20d=
ictionary%20project/L-to-E-RH1.html#ui

E.g. search  for {ui}.
Or use the original JCB's NB3 refgram, page 103:
http://loglan.org/Download/NB3-Part-II.pdf


> selpa'i says that Loglan had no UI:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/lojban/Btp9HnsUYRQ/88o000IeYkUJ
>

mi'enai la selpa'i i ku'i sy pu cusku lo se du'u la loglan pu claxu lo
cnima'o i sei mi smadi sy pu djisku lo sedu'u la loglan pu xo'eva'e claxu
gi'enai rova'e claxu vau lo cnima'o


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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">2014-09-05 1:07 GMT+04:00 ianek <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:janek37@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">janek37@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:=
<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bor=
der-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:sol=
id;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span class=3D""><br><br>On Thursday,=
 September 4, 2014 8:10:27 AM UTC+2, la gleki wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-l=
eft-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color=
:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><br><br>{soi crano} is not Lojban, it&#39;s Loglan. Loglan didn&#39;t hav=
e attitudinals and they had to used {soi} for such things ({soi} is Loglani=
c version of {sei}). In Lojban it would be {sei cisma}, but nobody says tha=
t, because we have ui/u&#39;i/zo&#39;o etc.<br>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Loglan did have attitudinals. {ui} i=
s taken from Loglan. Lojban just has more of them.<br></div></div></div></d=
iv></blockquote></span><div><br>That&#39;s new to me. I&#39;ve heard that L=
ojban got the idea for attitudinals from L=C3=A1adan.<br></div></div></bloc=
kquote><div><br></div><div>Look at the dictionary:</div><div><a href=3D"htt=
p://math.boisestate.edu/~holmes/loglan.org/holmes_stuff/Peter%20Hill%20dict=
ionary%20project/L-to-E-RH1.html#ui">http://math.boisestate.edu/~holmes/log=
lan.org/holmes_stuff/Peter%20Hill%20dictionary%20project/L-to-E-RH1.html#ui=
</a></div><div><br></div><div>E.g. search =C2=A0for {ui}.=C2=A0<br>Or use t=
he original JCB&#39;s NB3 refgram, page 103:=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://loglan.=
org/Download/NB3-Part-II.pdf">http://loglan.org/Download/NB3-Part-II.pdf</a=
><br><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p=
x 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-lef=
t-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br>selpa&#39;i says =
that Loglan had no UI: <a href=3D"https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/loj=
ban/Btp9HnsUYRQ/88o000IeYkUJ" target=3D"_blank">https://groups.google.com/f=
orum/#!msg/lojban/Btp9HnsUYRQ/88o000IeYkUJ</a></div></div></blockquote><div=
><br></div><div>mi&#39;enai la selpa&#39;i i ku&#39;i sy pu cusku lo se du&=
#39;u la loglan pu claxu lo cnima&#39;o i sei mi smadi sy pu djisku lo sedu=
&#39;u la loglan pu xo&#39;eva&#39;e claxu gi&#39;enai rova&#39;e claxu vau=
 lo cnima&#39;o</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(20=
4,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>=
<br></div></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D"h5">

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