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Am I mistaken, or has nothing come of this proposal? Or is something coming of it, but after only four months not yet visibly?

It would be interesting & welcome to see documented in one place a vision (e.g. a consensus of Selpa'i and his interlocutors) of what Lojban would potentially look like were the BPFK's work finished.

--And.

Alex Burka, On 15/05/2014 07:09:
> coi lo jbopre
>
> My name is Dustin and you might know me as ldlework or mokau or cadgu'a.  I'm
> writing to announce the current motion to nominate selpa'i as the current warden
> for the language in a provisionally official capacity contingent on the general
> attitudes professed by the community's response to the motion. selpa'i would be
> replacing Robin Lee Powell in this position.
>
> Currently, the IRC and Facebook communities have been approached. The response so
> far has been extremely positive with a current count of 20 to 1 in favor of the
> motion. Broca of the BPFK has given his provisional support of the motion and Ali
> Sajid Imami of the LLG has given positive approval.
>
> Robin Lee Powell has declared that he will abstain from voting explicitly, citing
> personal reasons but has offered the following words (edited for clarity):
>
> rlpowell:   I confirm [that] I'd [just] as soon someone else took my Lojbanic authority.
> rlpowell:   I'm ever so slightly mildly skeptical about selpa'i specifically because
>              he's not well known throughout the community the way I was.
> rlpowell:I'm mildly worried that his lack of presence there will lead to schism or something.
> rlpowell:Having said that, I certainly don't know of anybody *better* suited for the job.
> rlpowell:and I, personally, like him and his attitude towards Lojban.
>
>
> So what will this actually mean for the community and the language?
>
> As it stands Lojban is a vibrant community of speakers of a wide range of fluency.
> At the tail end, some extremely active and hard-working jbopre have, over the
> years, contributed many efforts to the language such as translations, music but
> also proposals of enhancements or refinements of various aspects of the language
> including its grammar, cmavo and general lexicon. However without an active
> leadership many of these modifications remain in conversational limbo where they
> are discussed for years in vain since there is no explicit mechanism for
> integration into the language or lexicon. New speakers get confused at the
> apparent lack of consensus.
>
> selpa'i would be the figurehead for the re-activation of this explicit mechanism for
> integration. If you are familiar with software development, this responsibility is
> synonymous with that of a repository maintainer. In that sense, he will have the
> authority to merge pull requests back into the repository thereby making the change
> "official". The authority to perform the "last-step" approval or disapproval of any
> of the number of outstanding or future proposals that may take place is what allows
> the language to continue to evolve and adapt to the creativity and usage of its
> userbase.
>
> I ask that everyone refrain from accusations of dictatorship and other similarly
> colored arguments. Lojban has always had an acting leadership for all of the
> utilities mentioned above. The motion should not in anyway be interpreted that
> selpa'i is solely responsible for engineering proposals and that all our own
> responsibilities to partake in the creative process have been revoked. On the
> contrary, with an actually active leadership we hope that the motion will encourage
> those who tend to think very deeply about the nuance of Lojban's various systems to
> feel more confident that they have a venue through which their ideas may actually
> one day be realized.
>
> Furthermore, if selpa'i is indeed found to be an acceptable leader for our lovely
> language a major effort will be made to "open source" the language. We have a PEG
> grammar, reference material, and a lexicon all of which are data that can be
> managed with principles and procedures that more resemble the management of a
> software development. The intention is to make the entire process extremely more
> visible and open with actual mechanisms for structured review and integration just
> like in the software world. I hope it is readily apparent how this could be an
> incredible boon for the direct democracy that so many desire.
>
> Lastly, I will speak a bit about selpa'i himself. As I have known him, he has
> demonstrated a prowess of the language that I have yet to see matched in a
> demonstrated way. His deep familiarity with not only the various grammatical
> systems but their nuance, their great qualities and their systemic inefficiencies
> is really inspiring. As one of the most active jbopre, he continuously emits
> high-quality literary translations, and even music. He is an active Lojban
> teacher with a number of current students that he lectures and gives formal
> training to. The guy can *rap* in Lojban :) I invite you to read his active blog
> which is where most of his published thinking on Lojban resides:
> http://selpahi.weebly.com/ *
> and also many of his Lojban writings are available at:
> http://selpahi.de/
>
> * NB: The blog posts are proposals only! I think they show a depth of thinking
> about the language. But the intended work is completely community-driven and
> no-one intends to implement proposals without wide support.
>
> Here is a current log of everyone who has given a direct response to the motion
> (which will be updated as the motion is on-going):
>
> https://gist.github.com/durka/cdf733d1ec95333fb9e7
>
> Here is log of the discussion that has taken place on facebook as of this
> writing: https://gist.github.com/dustinlacewell/115350f17f09efc9aa3f
>
> Please, use this thread to voice your approval or disapproval for this motion. If
> you disapprove it is enough to say so and give a bit of reasoning behind why you
> think so. Long digressions will make it difficult to ascertain an accurate
> distilling of everyone's approval or disapproval. Nays will be counted regardless
> of their length! :)
>
> Thank you for reading! If you'd like to participate in a more real-time discourse,
> I highly encourage you to visit #lojban on Freenode IRC. If you're
> unfamiliar with that, you can use http://webchat.freenode.net/ to join.
>
> .i finti fa la'o gy Dustin Lacewell gy no'u la'o irci ldlework irci no'u la mokau
> .i cusku'i fa la'o gy Alex Burka gy no'u la'o irci durka42 irci
> .i mu'o
>
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