Received: from mail-ob0-f183.google.com ([209.85.214.183]:63969) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XQILF-0004S4-H4 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 08:55:58 -0700 Received: by mail-ob0-f183.google.com with SMTP id m8sf154557obr.20 for ; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 08:55:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=N/oHG9iLau7vlop6iytZB3EUnTYkQfgNgeTrBy3TaTY=; b=vxGeRQNYZRdyZOdT4EshQsyFIVGCQirKhQU1oqjmJMy0QOQaqTOdHcaQPEeYsT/KqY IuEPePm+/VqV0+8LHqLQFf0W4es7UbRQxeYCDljIAB4kT03ikUdG3fR+FVl/mNjTCH5M hZxrGbAzMvtpmasCgCRvPMBY8GPfuYWIkNpbC1kj6hNfL1RRC5FYPrARhbpxSJYMgQKr 1ICsqdxgVweU5g5WfEIgnXMx6+KmzXcxGc9eQepngcO+FOKshxRSRHkD2/tr4QAILry5 FnoAsLj+gKZtbPH44g1ia3cyBNw+98BgokMnXr2EeFx+ND/7UEbC7DVhdgQZ+m4HnO6V QBGA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=N/oHG9iLau7vlop6iytZB3EUnTYkQfgNgeTrBy3TaTY=; b=zPpV4pLZpGzYG8hdo3Hytu1SO8/yazvF+FT0v5pmf5MfHuAFicGaDzUBxPIxrrbxGP EGSsOw7wjUjs7QdyRDqZeqMw6MuRYQV9plFdMSoIRnh7NJGgAJRNg+dKO2SpSL6ehw3f LjTdu/epyhGJK1mnZXiYrjOqm3Puq4GcVpMAJt1gW7gcOWOjGpIpRgVCMlYheUn0j2ql HK9Ttxu7eCAhPKa+rmFXJ57kV0iomCljdfK75V+HzAoWYJ1fXg8tdxGu1grKVDQDUhTx Np5nkbl7FilspWCw+hEBKL9JxEojuSi9lNDUNZrqQarxyFYGpMeXNRjFYdFBbK4xQ2pH Ffag== X-Received: by 10.140.30.36 with SMTP id c33mr406259qgc.2.1410018951489; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 08:55:51 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.92.228 with SMTP id b91ls200748qge.88.gmail; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 08:55:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.30.36 with SMTP id c33mr406258qgc.2.1410018951243; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 08:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 08:55:50 -0700 (PDT) From: TR NS To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <180d17c4-dc98-43bd-8b59-8841c86379e7@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <6a886330-7e72-4b50-ba11-54878f241243@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Why left-grouping of tanru? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: transfire@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2650_1043099175.1410018950915" X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - ------=_Part_2650_1043099175.1410018950915 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Friday, September 5, 2014 3:48:57 AM UTC-4, And Rosta wrote: > > > On 4 Sep 2014 20:50, "TR NS" > wrote: > > Also this isn't just my bias. Although it is hard for me to speak for > any language beyond English, but there are known patterns from which I am > drawing my opinion. See http://www.lingref.com/cpp/wccfl/25/paper1473.pdf > for example. > > How is that paper relevant to the thread topic? > It is just one example of a paper on the patterns of adjective order. Actually I just found this site which is more to the point: http://learnenglish.britishcouncil.org/en/english-grammar/adjectives/order-adjectives If you look at the order you can see they entail a right-to-left application. Left-to-right application only occurs when one of the adjectives themselves needs to be modified, i.e. there is a sub-clause, so to speak. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_2650_1043099175.1410018950915 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Friday, September 5, 2014 3:48:57 AM UTC-4, And= Rosta wrote:

On 4 Sep 2014 20:50, "TR NS" <tran.= ..@gmail.com> wrote:
> Also this isn't just my bias. Although it is hard for me to speak for = any language beyond English, but there are known patterns from which I am d= rawing my opinion. See http://www.lingref.= com/cpp/wccfl/25/paper1473.pdf for example.

How is that paper relevant to the thread topic?

It is just one example of a paper on the patterns of adjective ord= er. Actually I just found this site which is more to the point: http://lear= nenglish.britishcouncil.org/en/english-grammar/adjectives/order-adjectives = If you look at the order you can see they entail a right-to-left applicatio= n. Left-to-right application only occurs when one of the adjectives themsel= ves needs to be modified, i.e. there is a sub-clause, so to speak.

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