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Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 13:19:49 -0300
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Why left-grouping of tanru?
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On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 12:55 PM, TR NS <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

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>
> http://learnenglish.britishcouncil.org/en/english-grammar/adjectives/order-adjectives
> If you look at the order you can see they entail a right-to-left
> application. Left-to-right application only occurs when one of the
> adjectives themselves needs to be modified, i.e. there is a sub-clause, so
> to speak.
>

"adjective adjective noun" will always be right grouping in English because
an adjective doesn't modify another adjective. Similarly "adverb adjective
noun" will always be left grouping, because an adverb doesn't modify a noun
phrase. Another common left grouping case is "noun participle noun", as in
"fish eating bird".

In order to compare different grouping frequencies I think you need to
compare things such as "adjective noun noun", where you can find either
grouping: "bright biology teacher" vs "single parent household". Or "noun
noun noun".

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 12:55 PM, TR NS <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:transfire@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">transfire@gmail.com</a>&=
gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 =
0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><d=
iv><a href=3D"http://learnenglish.britishcouncil.org/en/english-grammar/adj=
ectives/order-adjectives" target=3D"_blank">http://learnenglish.britishcoun=
cil.org/en/english-grammar/adjectives/order-adjectives</a> If you look at t=
he order you can see they entail a right-to-left application. Left-to-right=
 application only occurs when one of the adjectives themselves needs to be =
modified, i.e. there is a sub-clause, so to speak.</div></div></blockquote>=
<div><br></div><div>&quot;adjective adjective noun&quot; will always be rig=
ht grouping in English because an adjective doesn&#39;t modify another adje=
ctive. Similarly &quot;adverb adjective noun&quot; will always be left grou=
ping, because an adverb doesn&#39;t modify a noun phrase. Another common le=
ft grouping case is &quot;noun participle noun&quot;, as in &quot;fish eati=
ng bird&quot;.</div><div><br></div><div>In order to compare different group=
ing frequencies I think you need to compare things such as &quot;adjective =
noun noun&quot;, where you can find either grouping: &quot;bright biology t=
eacher&quot; vs &quot;single parent household&quot;. Or &quot;noun noun nou=
n&quot;.</div><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></=
div></div></div></div>

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