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[151.225.232.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id s14sm6361090wik.23.2014.09.06.15.39.22 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 06 Sep 2014 15:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <540B8D1B.8050807@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 23:39:23 +0100 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120711 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] the future of Lojban's leadership References: <25B055499F67420FA34794323F9A95AB@gmail.com> <540B374A.9040409@lojban.org> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22d as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Dustin Lacewell, On 06/09/2014 20:00: > And, > > I lost faith in the endeavor. Here we are four months later still > talking about schism and the CLL and lojbab still grand-standing his > ultimate wisdom even though nothing has been done in the intern on > his or anyone else's part. Tragically, most everyone who supported > the original proposal here, to move the maintenance of the language > to a more software-development format have all crumbled under the > rhetoric of councils, bylaws, hearings and whatever needless muck > that serves only to strain people's already volunteer interest and > contribution. Come the next members' meeting, I will certainly vote for these new kids to= join LLG and, if it comes up at the meeting, for Selpa'i to be tasked with= leading the bpfk, but I think that rather than focusing on legalistic and = political stuff it would just be better for interested folk to discuss and = document their vision of a completed Lojban. Xorlo came about by xorxes, th= rough some discussion with others and much solitary cerebration, coming up = with a gadri system different from CLL's, and the community, realizing that= xorlo solved so many intractable problems with the CLL version, eventually= embraced it. It prevailed not because xorxes bothered with legalistic or p= olitical stuff but because open-minded Lojbanists overwhelmingly recognized= its superiority. I suppose each new generation builds on, and so seems brighter than, its pr= ecursors, but the latest generation of Lojbanists strikes me as brimming wi= th lojbo talent that in previous generations is not to be found outside a s= mall area of ketco tumla. Therefore this new generation, the selpa'is, the = guskants, et al should IMO just get on with sorting out the linguistic stuf= f, trusting that in due course the political stuff will take care of itself= . --And. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.