Received: from mail-oa0-f59.google.com ([209.85.219.59]:37862) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XQOxA-0006P3-3G for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 15:59:33 -0700 Received: by mail-oa0-f59.google.com with SMTP id g18sf2750483oah.4 for ; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 15:59:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-transfer-encoding:content-type; bh=3irSMBmFNJzDTG7iZKj878l7tZNCoNBijpjefycLHgM=; b=WUSD9k3iI7t5PaGFq5v2GTaiy3vR+yd8ACl2uacJ1s1jo5Xr3Z9X0HSg14jBAzIu20 j1aQbzILrbZ+CIeBCOMR/ElDOA9XtckvMx6IE3nim87QQHJowzBmmft6J+nrBfbEMlXD TC2Pf8PuiGx/lo/JQ1z2stT+m1NA9vnoTw44R3ErwYqKEIC4oLxz7pT4mm+ADpYMTiuM 0inXH98rgoJtWPttEkSdYkeva+rj3WGUImzxzqBoF/qfcmIPslHppA5JZlb6qdiRuoC7 qJ7nH1ElSsc2f6Trj/rvdAyK3JvqM1yg+a95wlyNVKhe9L0bj6sMmkBZ9SS67R94PVq5 4Akw== X-Received: by 10.50.77.51 with SMTP id p19mr152207igw.17.1410044365490; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 15:59:25 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.221.99 with SMTP id qd3ls1002414igc.40.gmail; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 15:59:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.42.38.15 with SMTP id a15mr2564746ice.30.1410044364885; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 15:59:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com. [107.14.166.227]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id bb4si756371pdb.1.2014.09.06.15.59.24 for ; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 15:59:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: none (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=107.14.166.227; Received: from [98.122.190.249] ([98.122.190.249:35355] helo=leopard.ixazon.lan) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id B7/BD-19010-BC19B045; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 22:59:24 +0000 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leopard.ixazon.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3598A4537 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 18:59:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: criticism of lojban needed Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 18:58:44 -0400 Message-ID: <2856576.H4P2LYxeFd@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-34-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <1410012543.82278.YahooMailNeo@web181105.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <5406CBB8.20305@gmail.com> <1410012543.82278.YahooMailNeo@web181105.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.130:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: phma@bezitopo.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - On Saturday, September 06, 2014 07:09:03 'John E Clifford' via lojban wrote= : > Attached is a pdf version of a start to such a list. Additions and > corrections eagerly sought. Correction: "dl" and "tl" are permitted in Lojban if the two consonants are= in=20 different syllables, but not if they are both in the onset of the same=20 syllable. E.g. "fatlutfa'i", "badle'o". "dl" is a permitted initial in=20 Russian; I don't know for sure about "tl". Irregularities in the list of permitted combinations and permitted initials= :=20 "ms" is permitted but "mz" is not; "cm", "cn", and "jm" are permitted initi= als=20 but "jn" is not; similarly "zn". Some pairs of gismu differ by exchanging two letters and are similar in=20 meaning: ractu/ratcu, stuzi/stizu, garna/grana. Other groups of gismu diffe= r in=20 one letter and are similar in meaning: carce/marce/karce, culno/mulno. Some sets of cmavo are phonetically related (zi, za, zu); others are not=20 (du'a, be'a, vu'a, ne'u). The ko'a-series and fo'a-series are phonetically= =20 related but should not be, as within each series, they differ in the unstre= ssed=20 vowel, making it easy to mistake which sumti one is referring to. The symmetry of the logical conjunction matrix is broken by the sentence=20 separator. Pierre --=20 La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre. Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.