Received: from mail-pd0-f187.google.com ([209.85.192.187]:35216) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XQPVd-0006Vj-Uf for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 16:35:10 -0700 Received: by mail-pd0-f187.google.com with SMTP id ft15sf221039pdb.24 for ; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 16:35:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=uOe8SLPdin/tSZJD6OO4Od6m1QgxCB/Eq8IpC5YSx4w=; b=NwfW2u1NKgruZZpk7sE+TJbqXu3vDBLhX1xhblClqloGPB5bb0gUwqXOWV76CNVKeR X60Azc4N5XS14eqIDsV9+JzCOfjzAV+fyV6JEgWD4rmsiM1Qk03YxMT3w1mzWDnRzGeU WexsUXYHntI2VJhkY/4GwpSZa51/k93hN9JXM4rQL3ASvVIU0MEPNJb8cmzZz3R6SG+F Vj7fK+iO5E2F1ZwnJ6DxXKGfWvZZSG3YCRjDjRsKFerT3xsvjcfUkhTDHqE4T4F4ZCNd Ukk9QGgc3OoLXedV7MXHXcdITzSQzCf+ha/tFqyyaiRroMIaJ3bCDn3KrtRRrrMcELAI xxZg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=uOe8SLPdin/tSZJD6OO4Od6m1QgxCB/Eq8IpC5YSx4w=; b=qUmX9CdigkPIkwR7pgfBlmxzwPpgYtBVHwznxcovE5FscwLEq/VClYFu3hUMPOthPp tXvCVOB3UOlqmppT2cEux9jq8wA13O10/KLSclNRUEQ5rlOqcIO5aUVRuVG3CIovZKUT V2CKtlpfBBSOZAIPpQLIk48bYlyKddN8XLAN3bx3gBG6dSMjNob+yRc7dcCzLW/Fs3rS v475Qk6E2J2TyHipboEYOPAXdbhmZElEL9+jFWfvrADqi65S3YDgAGFizjILpbDMEGjs JPtAqo9jQO7pQG18HCRCBx+w0Q53m1prH6EaGpvWttsMYeGlEu4y/aMr99svav9zUrkC St7A== X-Received: by 10.140.16.15 with SMTP id 15mr447804qga.3.1410046503512; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 16:35:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.19.108 with SMTP id 99ls1291561qgg.29.gmail; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 16:35:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.19.213 with SMTP id 79mr412895qgh.5.1410046503209; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 16:35:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 16:35:02 -0700 (PDT) From: TR NS To: lojban@googlegroups.com Cc: kali9putra@yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1409940819.12603.YahooMailNeo@web181104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <54090077.7050803@lojban.org> <1409940819.12603.YahooMailNeo@web181104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Why left-grouping of tanru? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: transfire@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5168_1270939860.1410046502644" X-Spam-Note: SpamAssassin invocation failed ------=_Part_5168_1270939860.1410046502644 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Friday, September 5, 2014 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, clifford wrote: > > > the way grouping goes in math and especially the standard logic textbooks > (of say 1950) plus the easier eye parsing, > That's what I surmised the reason might be, and part of why I was curious. In Loglan1 JCB mentions putting the modifying words before the word being modified because that is how it is done in the majority of languages. I imagine if it were the other way around, the order of application would still have been left-grouping --and thus effectively the opposite of what it is today. > It was all decided even before my time (back in 1955-6 in fact). While I > am down there, I'll look for PLGS, which, as I recall (not a very promising > basis), was worked over several times up through something like "pretty > little girls school teachers union official". There is certainly also a > general paper on enumerating (and displaying) possibilities of whatever > length. > > Wow. That must feel incredible to have access to all that original material. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_5168_1270939860.1410046502644 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Friday, September 5, 2014 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, cli= fford wrote:
 
the way grouping goes in math a= nd especially the standard logic textbooks (of say 1950) plus the easier ey= e parsing,  

= That's what I surmised the reason might be, and part of why I was curious. = In Loglan1 JCB mentions putting the modifying words before the word being m= odified because that is how it is done in the majority of languages. I imag= ine if it were the other way around, the order of application would still h= ave been left-grouping --and thus effectively the opposite of what it is to= day.
 
It was all decided even before my time (back in 1955-6 in fact). &n= bsp;While I am down there, I'll look for PLGS, which, as I recall (not a ve= ry promising basis), was worked over several times up through something lik= e "pretty little girls school teachers union official".  There is cert= ainly also a general paper on enumerating (and displaying) possibilities of= whatever length.


Wow. That must feel incredible to have access to all that o= riginal material.
 

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