Received: from mail-qc0-f186.google.com ([209.85.216.186]:63330) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XQQ4F-0006dP-D1 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 17:10:56 -0700 Received: by mail-qc0-f186.google.com with SMTP id w7sf2712376qcr.23 for ; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 17:10:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=z3t5x2VEZX8bU0ZUperEBc2nQvFP5MZrZTYNPWc770Q=; b=PgBh8rCVdvJsglU5q9mkzMotxcX4OiQQGJ2WYoyl0u33dxkkSy95BY3SsJ2TCz17sp EpDuhoi6Uuyq5E1lLvJQOJ6XgCJ14bmSBzRk1wc8xmn//KZ7AUR4CAZlzJ95iVm9af5G WYblX9JAAq3RshKoAP2ARp5cc+GQNNcOvH+m53vCNjSq1L3f073A88ZuNA95RslRAYIe Mx1gJzSphSUJTultQIjHiFrAtZ3hXxIP4YVCq6trh6HS57Mg2UX8NJkMFQ4vA063nEV2 pOI7XGQcosvuDhH5XatoY04MsvcyElIbaJDk8FvwrCtWEPiTwl540KAD4yzOwBgsJMfi 3org== X-Received: by 10.50.43.196 with SMTP id y4mr158238igl.13.1410048648629; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 17:10:48 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.13.4 with SMTP id d4ls1008862igc.19.canary; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 17:10:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.43.56.209 with SMTP id wd17mr11485974icb.6.1410048648291; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 17:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-x22b.google.com (mail-vc0-x22b.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22b]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ew8si214663vdb.1.2014.09.06.17.10.48 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 06 Sep 2014 17:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22b as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22b; Received: by mail-vc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id id10so13820944vcb.2 for ; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 17:10:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.83.227 with SMTP id t3mr13721965vdy.20.1410048648152; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 17:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.204.203 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 17:10:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <54090077.7050803@lojban.org> <1409940819.12603.YahooMailNeo@web181104.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 21:10:48 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Why left-grouping of tanru? From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11368e80ca0e5805026e8898 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11368e80ca0e5805026e8898 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 8:35 PM, TR NS wrote: > > In Loglan1 JCB mentions putting the modifying words before the word being > modified because that is how it is done in the majority of languages. > I think the general rule is that languages that use prepositions tend to have adjectives following the noun they modify, with Germanic languages (such as English) being exceptional in this respect. So Lojban doesn't follow the general rule. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --001a11368e80ca0e5805026e8898 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 8:35 PM, TR NS <transfire@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
=C2=A0In Loglan1 JCB mentions putting the modifying words befo= re the word being modified because that is how it is done in the majority o= f languages.=C2=A0

I think the = general rule is that languages that use prepositions tend to have adjective= s following the noun they modify, with Germanic languages (such as English)= being exceptional in this respect. So Lojban doesn't follow the genera= l rule.

mu'o mi'e xorxes
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