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2014-09-07 5:52 GMT+04:00 mukti <shunpiker@gmail.com>:
It would be interesting to know how many and which valid m= edial CC are not represented in gismu.
=

I count 189 valid medial consonant clusters, 29 = of which do not apear in any of the 1,010 canonical CVCCV gismu:
=
  • bg
  • bz
  • dl
  • dm
  • fj
    <= /li>
  • fm
  • fp
  • fx
  • gm
  • gz
    <= /li>
  • jf
  • jg
  • jk
  • jp
  • jt
    <= /li>
  • jx
  • kj
  • lz
  • mv
  • pf
    <= /li>
  • pj
  • px
  • sf
  • tj
  • xj
    <= /li>
  • xm
  • xp
  • xt
  • zv=C2=A0

except that voiceless+voiced can&#= 39;t lamji.
{vedli} is now more or less popular.

=C2=A0
<= div>
Here are the eight most frequent medial CC, i.e. the ones which each appear in 20 or more gismu:
  • nt 29
    • nr 28
  • ns 25
  • nc 24
  • nd <= /span>24
  • rn 24
  • = nj 22
  • nl 20
Check my math?

mi'e la= mukti mu'o

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