Received: from mail-oa0-f55.google.com ([209.85.219.55]:58418) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XQcRv-0002CR-L0 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 06:24:12 -0700 Received: by mail-oa0-f55.google.com with SMTP id m1sf2907862oag.0 for ; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 06:24:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Ol3L0kY6EZGwVkJWP6GVGmvHe/ZwgeTJFgx3twSSyow=; b=UK7N5yIM0jnHLKy3LDixUVFI97I6hQmM8lbFyxfIabSPOn/ZMH1hy0pbgr7S60RfXi B94McRzD629n0P1eJQweab/m50JUUIEbCqH+SiY3HvLse8MQjCZPJ3Cll9/EJ20ypAEG bqRFcijszobw4PwaDMdZL2bp7sg7Yrap2Ysdf5H6D2xKggBWTNNScysztqB8QfVMho4x FrFpLbahoLCSz2O5gle+gRge0sS5fCNcmGmDzK139OhtVSn95k+Yr7mVkih9qrOmDtsc xmu0cyX7Bpq79GNlqvObz5rB9h3eQvasUlRAsr7HsPFK86/1vWqJbDNvua5uuNWoHD+J aPRg== X-Received: by 10.50.79.201 with SMTP id l9mr190715igx.5.1410096245096; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 06:24:05 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.85.15 with SMTP id d15ls1161889igz.12.gmail; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 06:24:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.137.68 with SMTP id qg4mr13395760pab.26.1410096244622; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 06:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-x22d.google.com (mail-vc0-x22d.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22d]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x19si246478vdi.3.2014.09.07.06.24.04 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 07 Sep 2014 06:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22d as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22d; Received: by mail-vc0-f173.google.com with SMTP id le20so411054vcb.18 for ; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 06:24:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.251.200 with SMTP id mt8mr20430409vcb.24.1410096244463; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 06:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.204.203 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 06:24:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5406CBB8.20305@gmail.com> <1410012543.82278.YahooMailNeo@web181105.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <2856576.H4P2LYxeFd@caracal> <5f39112b-ec21-4d73-99ed-caeeb2c08991@googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 10:24:04 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: criticism of lojban needed From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22d as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0122f098c01c5e0502799dbf X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --089e0122f098c01c5e0502799dbf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:42 AM, mukti wrote: > >> > The program I used to generate the clusters counted "j" as a sibilant, but > not as voiced. If I add "j" to the voiced consonants, 10 unused clusters go > away, leaving 19 unused out of 179 total medial clusters: > > - bg > - bz > - dl > - dm > - fm > - fp > - fx > - gm > - gz > - jg > - lz > - mv > - pf > - px > - sf > - xm > - xp > - xt > - zv > > Interesting, thanks. Three of them (jg, sf and zv) are valid initials, so that means these three are the only ones that occur as initial CC (jgari, sfasa, zvati) but not as medial CC. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --089e0122f098c01c5e0502799dbf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:42 AM, mukti <shunpiker@gmail.com> wrote:
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The program I used to generate the clusters counted "j" = as a sibilant, but not as voiced. If I add "j" to the voiced cons= onants, 10 unused clusters go away, leaving 19 unused out of 179 total medi= al clusters:
  • bg
  • bz
  • dl
  • dm
  • fm
  • fp
  • fx
  • <= li>gm
  • gz
  • jg
  • lz
  • mv
  • pf
  • px
  • sf
  • xm
  • xp
  • xt
  • zv=C2=A0

Interesting, thanks. Three of them (jg, sf and zv) are valid initi= als, so that means these three are the only ones that occur as initial CC (= jgari, sfasa, zvati) but not as medial CC.

mu'= o mi'e xorxes


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