Received: from mail-ig0-f191.google.com ([209.85.213.191]:58779) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XR5ra-00077x-PR for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 13:48:39 -0700 Received: by mail-ig0-f191.google.com with SMTP id hn18sf3162899igb.18 for ; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 13:48:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=PGH8h2jcoJVtySZjOUrihJgJtB1kUzGSnN6Hq2tjnbk=; b=U4w8D85nYtjOZNy5aXoauUK2hAlEwfq+iTrkr+DcHgnavOSQLIx9V2gXPPzGeES72D PMuLRf++ajIa3dFmFuFDNcM6ha4g2476W0JQV4J6uT0ZXIxzx2Ska/vNX5j8FhKJ8F68 e3ONx1SSa3tqmDkrYnMnc0z5ldmZSWrYuHDw7HpmLGySBUPI5H2KcK8IXlFokQ6/2tI2 yy/Zcd8emkgTaup6RLTusYDlp43vMwxyv7eXgDPS9nVW7dNcHXyjX1urRT6ePn2U9s6f Oem1WUiVhwRHdStudTFbMTOrmW5Yi2OZ8guqJQDdpir7E60gCVKPahKGdg+5dI5b6BeO 2YoA== X-Received: by 10.50.50.169 with SMTP id d9mr299377igo.2.1410209312335; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 13:48:32 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.43.162 with SMTP id x2ls2051918igl.38.gmail; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 13:48:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.43.71.81 with SMTP id yj17mr18766046icb.26.1410209311955; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 13:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qa0-x22e.google.com (mail-qa0-x22e.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22e]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i4si1988334qcm.0.2014.09.08.13.48.31 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 08 Sep 2014 13:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22e as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22e; Received: by mail-qa0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id w8so14544334qac.5 for ; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 13:48:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.151.69 with SMTP id b5mr45684370qaw.37.1410209311804; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 13:48:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.159.211 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 13:48:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <12823553.MZuJQVC9Bs@zx-spectrum-1> References: <1595141.LRWboYDpiD@zx-spectrum-1> <2b69296c-5b79-4364-93b4-8dc6f8bf64d9@googlegroups.com> <12823553.MZuJQVC9Bs@zx-spectrum-1> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 16:48:01 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] a Fullerian insight for jbopre To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22e as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0149ca44173192050293f10b X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --089e0149ca44173192050293f10b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That type of writing was apparently just a phase for Fuller. Later in life he didn't do it nearly as much. And I disagree with his objection to "up" and "down". Those words can be precisely defined as outward and inward relative to a center of gravity, but outward and inward on their own don't share that center of gravity component in their meanings. stevo On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Krzysztof Sobolewski wrote: > Dnia poniedzia=C5=82ek, 8 wrze=C5=9Bnia 2014 12:41:52 TR NS pisze: > > > > On Monday, September 8, 2014 1:26:20 PM UTC-4, jezuch wrote: > > > > > > > > > If he was Polish he wouldn't have to invent these. In the Polish > language > > > "weapon" is "bro=C5=84" which has the same root as "broni=C4=87", mea= ning "to > defend, > > > to prevent". But wait! It goes deeper! "To arm" is "zbroi=C4=87" whic= h has > the > > > same root as "zbroja", meaning "an armor". But does that mean we're a= ll > > > pacifist? Heck no ;) That's one of the reasons that in my very humble > > > opinion Fuller was wrong, or at least criminally simplistic. > > > > > > > That's a rather broad opinion, considering Fuller said many things. So > > wrong about what? > > Well, I'm only responding to the cited fragments :) And perhaps I should > stop there before I embarass myself ;) > -- > Ecce Jezuch > "I went in killing the sun > I once one" - T. Meeks > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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That type of writing was apparently just a phase for Fuller.= Later in life he didn't do it nearly as much.=C2=A0

And I d= isagree with his objection to "up" and "down". Those wo= rds can be precisely defined as outward and inward relative to a center of = gravity, but outward and inward on their own don't share that center of= gravity component in their meanings.=C2=A0

stevo

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On M= on, Sep 8, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Krzysztof Sobolewski <jezuch@interia.pl>= ; wrote:
Dnia poniedzia=C5=82ek, 8= wrze=C5=9Bnia 2014 12:41:52 TR NS pisze:
>
> On Monday, September 8, 2014 1:26:20 PM UTC-4, jezuch wrote:
> >
> >
> > If he was Polish he wouldn't have to invent these. In the Pol= ish language
> > "weapon" is "bro=C5=84" which has the same ro= ot as "broni=C4=87", meaning "to defend,
> > to prevent". But wait! It goes deeper! "To arm" is= "zbroi=C4=87" which has the
> > same root as "zbroja", meaning "an armor". Bu= t does that mean we're all
> > pacifist? Heck no ;) That's one of the reasons that in my ver= y humble
> > opinion Fuller was wrong, or at least criminally simplistic.
> >
>
> That's a rather broad opinion, considering Fuller said many things= . So
> wrong about what?

Well, I'm only responding to the cited fragments :) And perhaps = I should stop there before I embarass myself ;)
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I once one" - T. Meeks

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