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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 17:40:35 -0300
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Subject: Re: [lojban] the future of Lojban's leadership
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On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 5:13 PM, Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>
wrote:

> On 9/9/2014 4:50 PM, And Rosta wrote:
>
>>
>>  In old usage, "le" was standardly not used in a baseline-compliant way;
>> cf how "le nu", "le ka", "le du'u" used to be default in usage.
>>
>
> That is still my default.  I don't know why it is not baseline-compliant
> (indeed, Xorxes has told me that the old usage is not incorrect under xorlo)


I hope I didn't say that. What I probably did say is that most of the stuff
that was correct pre-xorlo is still correct with xorlo, and much of the
stuff that was incorrect becomes correct. But if something was wrong
pre-xorlo, it might still be wrong.

I believe And may be thinking of something like "mi nelci le nu limna" for
"I like swimming". The problem with "le" here is that when you say "I like
swimming" you don't have a particular event of swimming in mind, so why
would you use "le"? "le nu limna" is supposed to be a particular event of
swimming that the speaker has in mind.

(Nowadays many people would probably rather say "mi nelci lo ka limna", but
the change from "nu" to "ka" is not from xorlo.)

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 5:13 PM, Robert LeChevalier <span dir=3D"ltr">&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lojbab@lojban.org" target=3D"_blank">lojbab@lojban.org=
</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">O=
n 9/9/2014 4:50 PM, And Rosta wrote:<br>
</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br></blockquote><span class=3D"">
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
In old usage, &quot;le&quot; was standardly not used in a baseline-complian=
t way;<br>
cf how &quot;le nu&quot;, &quot;le ka&quot;, &quot;le du&#39;u&quot; used t=
o be default in usage.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
That is still my default.=C2=A0 I don&#39;t know why it is not baseline-com=
pliant (indeed, Xorxes has told me that the old usage is not incorrect unde=
r xorlo)</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I hope I didn&#39;t say that. What=
 I probably did say is that most of the stuff that was correct pre-xorlo is=
 still correct with xorlo, and much of the stuff that was incorrect becomes=
 correct. But if something was wrong pre-xorlo, it might still be wrong.</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>I believe And may be thinking of something like &quo=
t;mi nelci le nu limna&quot; for &quot;I like swimming&quot;. The problem w=
ith &quot;le&quot; here is that when you say &quot;I like swimming&quot; yo=
u don&#39;t have a particular event of swimming in mind, so why would you u=
se &quot;le&quot;? &quot;le nu limna&quot; is supposed to be a particular e=
vent of swimming that the speaker has in mind.</div><div><br></div><div>(No=
wadays many people would probably rather say &quot;mi nelci lo ka limna&quo=
t;, but the change from &quot;nu&quot; to &quot;ka&quot; is not from xorlo.=
)</div><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></d=
iv></div></div>

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