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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 18:06:15 -0300
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Subject: Re: [lojban] the future of Lojban's leadership
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On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>
wrote:

>
> If xorxes is correct then the refgram was not invalidated so much as made
> incomplete.


CLL, despite its name, was never a complete description of the language, so
xorlo could not have made it something it already was.


> But I can't say, since I never really understood xorlo.
>

That may be true, but you never really understood CLL gadri either. Your
understanding of gadri is actually closer to xorlo than to CLL. Look at the
(pre-xorlo, pre-CLL) ma'oste definition of "lo": "veridical descriptor: the
one(s) that really is(are) ..." That's basically xorlo, not CLL. There's no
trace of a hidden quantifier there.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Robert LeChevalier <span dir=3D"ltr">&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lojbab@lojban.org" target=3D"_blank">lojbab@lojban.org=
</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)=
;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
If xorxes is correct then the refgram was not invalidated so much as made i=
ncomplete.=C2=A0</blockquote><div><br></div><div>CLL, despite its name, was=
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ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-l=
eft-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> But I=
 can&#39;t say, since I never really understood xorlo.<br></blockquote><div=
><br></div><div>That may be true, but you never really understood CLL gadri=
 either. Your understanding of gadri is actually closer to xorlo than to CL=
L. Look at the (pre-xorlo, pre-CLL) ma&#39;oste definition of &quot;lo&quot=
;: &quot;<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">veridical descriptor: the one(s) =
that really is(are) ...&quot; That&#39;s basically xorlo, not CLL. There=
9;s no trace of a hidden quantifier there.</span></div><div><span style=3D"=
color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">mu=
&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</span></div><div><br></div></div></div></div>

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