Received: from mail-qa0-f62.google.com ([209.85.216.62]:37093) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XS6cP-0005Oq-A8 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:49:11 -0700 Received: by mail-qa0-f62.google.com with SMTP id dc16sf87008qab.27 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:49:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ICqh/Ve5reXWJxykKfX2aSoVsqOT3oEQOazNdEu4qxA=; b=H6YV+dbGbnZrWs3JPggvKJYMc3iErPn+7VE6PzNY1A92yhvn3ptJzviuNkFntxPOgT kcP3ppgqfPkdNdCocaVnIUjeRhwkzfWZ1wcYKD9vOLnUUyHV4sg+5t7NdZUsm+QgyFHh LMhM6ApWckqgX/0+Wvl4omkoofOlD9kpiZqsifUX3gj4E6Dg68h3ouYmaXCtH/iPpObF Zp6ZRgNOEiZrUo607FfFubJcbaTW+MVXwxgREQB1BmkrtlAIwTglPDC7EjcJ0joNm119 3DphsxqjmnMKvCsvPPT+OSVLfNYZSOWTl5XbltMEUsffRmqbycIn+uc/pN3sFf+JBLWc E+oA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ICqh/Ve5reXWJxykKfX2aSoVsqOT3oEQOazNdEu4qxA=; b=cz6izDbiug5ZxFUOjOfEIsT0t+4aUWDkOquKsd7CRRGrbM6G+7oqdbxIKcNweeJ+0q PpyYknhknW6DIndheH6AtmYQ+o3gss4hCu6VXSEh6TSrln3RHs6VcY+SQWIcGUJroUdy /BCS6Ofkht9VGUjyiVcUWuvZSUZGQU7rC1u0I4li5sobOnHwuWRBgJYQxNUApp3x8las veRTkFflD6Ax0sy8K4bUPgxmR+qukvhKoaG5cwja8xdeH1vRktsLJLrT0X2X35sxNkHU mjMMyRr78MDGi89LKldM1XyBWwO8DCgk9cO9pqCothGcyuFcTJmHmPinrnlIZHUNrV2h BO2A== X-Received: by 10.140.97.136 with SMTP id m8mr53qge.42.1410450540767; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:49:00 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.106.136 with SMTP id e8ls223034qgf.36.gmail; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:49:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.92.226 with SMTP id b89mr17885qge.33.1410450540299; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:49:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:48:59 -0700 (PDT) From: TR NS To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <584b4939-5c76-417c-9a52-bfe78de00ecb@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <25B055499F67420FA34794323F9A95AB@gmail.com> <540B374A.9040409@lojban.org> <540B8D1B.8050807@gmail.com> <540F391F.5050002@lojban.org> <336d2f55-fba7-46d5-8a8a-332e0dd24f39@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] the future of Lojban's leadership MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: transfire@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_445_263356752.1410450539985" X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - ------=_Part_445_263356752.1410450539985 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 7:20:54 PM UTC-4, Dustin Lacewell wrote: > > TR NS, > > This is the unifying reason the FAR MAJORITY of conlangs die! Accept this > at face value! > > I'd be concerned that a language that did not achieve its stated goals might also suffer the same fate. Regardless I will take it at face value, and conclude Lojban has reached a type of impasse, perhaps inevitable. Clearly there are two camps of thought: There are those, like yourself, who wish to see the language frozen, unassailable from all but minor adjustments, wanting to get on with *using* the language, and see the language's death in any further modification. Then there are those who see a language that has not yet reached it's fruition --still in need of work, minor or significant, and in seeing those "holes", see a dead language in one that is no longer evolving. There is no reconciliation of these two views. The only solution is a fork. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_445_263356752.1410450539985 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 7:20:54 PM UTC-4,= Dustin Lacewell wrote:
TR NS,

This is the unifying reason the FAR MAJ= ORITY of conlangs die! Accept this at face value!


I'd be concerned that a language that did= not achieve its stated goals might also suffer the same fate. Regardless I= will take it at face value, and conclude Lojban has reached a type of impa= sse, perhaps inevitable.

Clearly there are two cam= ps of thought: There are those, like yourself, who wish to see the language= frozen, unassailable from all but minor adjustments, wanting to get on wit= h *using* the language, and see the language's death in any further modific= ation. Then there are those who see a language that has not yet reached it'= s fruition --still in need of work, minor or significant, and in seeing tho= se "holes", see a dead language in one that is no longer evolving.

There is no reconciliation of these two views. The only so= lution is a fork. 

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