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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 20:02:21 +0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban] the future of Lojban's leadership
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2014-09-11 19:48 GMT+04:00 TR NS <transfire@gmail.com>:

>
>
> On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 7:20:54 PM UTC-4, Dustin Lacewell wrote:
>>
>> TR NS,
>>
>> This is the unifying reason the FAR MAJORITY of conlangs die! Accept this
>> at face value!
>>
>>
> I'd be concerned that a language that did not achieve its stated goals
> might also suffer the same fate. Regardless I will take it at face value,
> and conclude Lojban has reached a type of impasse, perhaps inevitable.
>
> Clearly there are two camps of thought: There are those, like yourself,
> who wish to see the language frozen, unassailable from all but minor
> adjustments, wanting to get on with *using* the language, and see the
> language's death in any further modification. Then there are those who see
> a language that has not yet reached it's fruition --still in need of work,
> minor or significant, and in seeing those "holes", see a dead language in
> one that is no longer evolving.
>

I can see there are two major camps:
A. Language is frozen in what is both describes in CLL and is used + the
language is at the same time open to backward compatible changes
B. IRC/mailing list usage decides. Everything else has sense only if
doesn't contradict IRC/mailing list usage.


Scenario B completely ignores people who have paid their money to buy CLL
to learn the most described language in the world.

As a temporary solution I can suggest that LLG sells the rest of the copies
of CLL with a small handmade inset "How to use xorlo".

This should have been done in 2003 of course since xorlo is really backward
non-compatible and thus damaged the spread and the development of Lojban by
diverting newcomers.


> There is no reconciliation of these two views. The only solution is a
> fork.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
2014-09-11 19:48 GMT+04:00 TR NS <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tr=
ansfire@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">transfire@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span class=3D""><br><br>O=
n Wednesday, September 10, 2014 7:20:54 PM UTC-4, Dustin Lacewell wrote:<bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">TR NS,<div><br></div>=
<div>This is the unifying reason the FAR MAJORITY of conlangs die! Accept t=
his at face value!</div></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div></=
span><div>I&#39;d be concerned that a language that did not achieve its sta=
ted goals might also suffer the same fate. Regardless I will take it at fac=
e value, and conclude Lojban has reached a type of impasse, perhaps inevita=
ble.</div><div><br></div><div>Clearly there are two camps of thought: There=
 are those, like yourself, who wish to see the language frozen, unassailabl=
e from all but minor adjustments, wanting to get on with *using* the langua=
ge, and see the language&#39;s death in any further modification. Then ther=
e are those who see a language that has not yet reached it&#39;s fruition -=
-still in need of work, minor or significant, and in seeing those &quot;hol=
es&quot;, see a dead language in one that is no longer evolving.</div></div=
></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I can see there are two major camps:</div=
><div>A. Language is frozen in what is both describes in CLL and is used + =
the language is at the same time open to backward compatible changes</div><=
div>B. IRC/mailing list usage decides. Everything else has sense only if do=
esn&#39;t contradict IRC/mailing list usage.</div><div><br></div><div><br><=
/div><div>Scenario B completely ignores people who have paid their money to=
 buy CLL to learn the most described language in the world.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>As a temporary solution I can suggest that LLG sells the rest of =
the copies of CLL with a small handmade inset &quot;How to use xorlo&quot;.=
</div><div><br></div><div>This should have been done in 2003 of course sinc=
e xorlo is really backward non-compatible and thus damaged the spread and t=
he development of Lojban by diverting newcomers.</div><div><br></div><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc=
 solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div><div>There is no r=
econciliation of these two views. The only solution is a fork.=C2=A0</div><=
div><br></div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">

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