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User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Digest for lojban@googlegroups.com - 13 updates in 3 topics References: In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: lojbab@lojban.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - On 9/11/2014 8:33 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > 2014-09-11 16:06 GMT+04:00 Karen Stein >: > > In sorry, but I can't get my new email program to reply specifying a > topic... > > > I can see that you are getting digests from google groups. This means > it's better to reply via web interface: > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/lojban > > > > State of the language... > > I can certainly state that people drop out of lojban learning and > even following because the language isn't stable enough. The entire > local group quit. > > > Which local group are you talking about? Karen Stein and John Hodges have been involved in the project almost from the earliest years. John Hodges predates the split with TLI Loglan, and he recruited Karen and several others in the Virginia Tech (university) community near Blacksburg VA (about 6 hours drive from here), in the early to mid 90s. John and Karen and occasionally others from their group were present at nearly every LogFest held at my house here in the Washington DC area until around 2002. Except for a few people around here, they are the oldest "group" of Lojban students in existence. There were other groups, in LA, SF, Boston and Yorkshire England that formed shortly thereafter, but I don't know that any of them still think of themselves as a "group" like the Blacksburg people apparently do. I am sure that John Clifford remembers Karen from LogFests, since they were occasionally at odds %^) The DC area group largely fell apart when Athelstan, one of its leaders, suffered brain trauma in an auto accident in 1992 and never recovered enough to resume leadership, though a few people showed up at LogFest when we held them here - not so much as a "group" though. The LA area group was centered on Jim Carter, who also invented guaspi. I've heard from none of them since 1994 (and undoubtedly the failure to continue publishing Ju'i Lobypli was even more important than the delayed baseline in keeping these off-line communities together and involved. lojbab -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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