Received: from mail-ee0-f55.google.com ([74.125.83.55]:37896) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XSJmz-0004IH-ND for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 22:52:59 -0700 Received: by mail-ee0-f55.google.com with SMTP id d17sf16917eek.10 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 22:52:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=6fElxt59lyQQ9falXkHDZk/klaaiEKn2EBzmXx+n2Fw=; b=ubJiY+P8RyXnV0c9gLNZFgUONNi0XY1VEEUuyXgnIBimHBO8HPV82L2S6CP2e9y5rY klO239EjBQwUZ1u56Oi6OJ1X/J7lOOlEDaSNqjVq47B89ig1DVNgfx76tuUOA7no69jT 6xJI8L0izYetnKBKZ6qfCEfBNhRZm2tBPYEJbNdDwvQUHTsbSItrrwqom6DCj0ZT/T7e W+wkoqoiPNUCKRNZN3uJTDxVjJ/Bm0TfgDKgKUb3s5uEEmzroptGGe3xFUrb0ANDBXRG f9qY5ScJKVe4Y4hOzypY/jGhrsa9a0tlYmCUXbhaz52bjocOyAALOrPCe3tZaSlpwIlf M4HQ== X-Received: by 10.152.5.169 with SMTP id t9mr351lat.12.1410501170371; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 22:52:50 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.42.230 with SMTP id r6ls133709lal.92.gmail; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 22:52:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.170.166 with SMTP id an6mr10139lbc.17.1410501169139; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 22:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x22c.google.com (mail-wi0-x22c.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c05::22c]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gk5si35538wic.1.2014.09.11.22.52.49 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Sep 2014 22:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22c as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::22c; Received: by mail-wi0-f172.google.com with SMTP id e4so1541607wiv.17 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 22:52:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.82.72 with SMTP id g8mr13363304wiy.79.1410501169041; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 22:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.89.193 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 22:52:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5411FB14.3030807@lojban.org> References: <25B055499F67420FA34794323F9A95AB@gmail.com> <540B374A.9040409@lojban.org> <540B8D1B.8050807@gmail.com> <540F391F.5050002@lojban.org> <5411FB14.3030807@lojban.org> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 09:52:48 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] the future of Lojban's leadership From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22c as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9cc986222d83f0502d7e551 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --14dae9cc986222d83f0502d7e551 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2014-09-11 23:42 GMT+04:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG < lojbab@lojban.org>: > xorlo, which most newer people (apparently excepting gleki) consider a > major improvement has been a significant demotivator in my using the > language. Probably I wouldn't be using the language much anyway, (I have > found that using a language even semi-fluently is extremely difficult for > me, even if I know the rules and the words well) but I had translations > that I really wanted to do, and I remain unconvinced that anyone will be > able to read them because I cannot use xorlo properly. > It's not that I oppose or approve of it. I'm only mentioning that losing a reliable up to date source is diverting people from the language. I'm not talking about any particular solutions. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --14dae9cc986222d83f0502d7e551 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= 2014-09-11 23:42 GMT+04:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG <l= ojbab@lojban.org>:
xorlo, which most newer pe= ople (apparently excepting gleki) consider a major improvement has been a s= ignificant demotivator in my using the language.=C2=A0 Probably I wouldn= 9;t be using the language much anyway, (I have found that using a language = even semi-fluently is extremely difficult for me, even if I know the rules = and the words well) but I had translations that I really wanted to do, and = I remain unconvinced that anyone will be able to read them because I cannot= use xorlo properly.

It's not that I op= pose or approve of it. I'm only mentioning that losing a reliable up to= date source is diverting people from the language.

I'm not talking about any= particular solutions.

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