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Probably at least that many > downloaded/printed the online version(s), or read it online. > For online readers the immediate solution should be to add "How to use xorlo" amendment as a separate super-short chapter to the book. There is a page "Errata" in the tiki. You may say that "How to use xorlo" is kind of an erratum (when viewed from today). I think it's no hard to implement. The two most important versions are: http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter1.html and http://lojban.github.io/cll/ *Don't you think LLG should order to change them NOW?* This would at least stop xorlo schism for online learners who haven't bought a paperback edition. > Which of course is the primary language effort that I know about. >> My knowledge of the impact of changes on other languages came second >> hand from people commenting on their reaction to changes in TLI >> Loglan and in Lojban. >> >> The history repeats itself. >> > > We are doing our best to prevent that. > > But we really need a new edition of CLL, and as time goes on, I am > probably willing to accept more of what people want to add/change if it > gets that edition done. > > Additions (if well-documented) are a lot easier to accept than changes, > though. > > > lojbab > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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2014-09-11 23:50 GMT+04:00 Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org&g= t;:
On 9/11/2014 2:16 AM, Gleki= Arxokuna wrote:
I don't know how many people already bought CLL

 Over 1000 but less than 1250.=C2=A0 Probably at least that many downloaded/= printed the online version(s), or read it online.
For = online readers the immediate solution should be to add "How to use xor= lo" amendment as a separate super-short =C2=A0chapter to the book.
There is a page "Errata" in the tiki. You may say that=C2= =A0"How to use xorlo" is kind of an erratum (when viewed from tod= ay).

I think it's no hard to implement.
<= div>The two most important versions are:
http://lojban.github.io/cll/

<= b>Don't you think LLG should order to change them NOW?
Th= is would at least stop xorlo schism for online learners who haven't bou= ght a paperback edition.



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Which of course is the primary language effort that I know ab= out.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 My knowledge of the impact of changes on other languages came= second
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 hand from people commenting on their reaction to changes in T= LI
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Loglan and in Lojban.

 The history repeats itself.

We are doing our best to prevent that.

But we really need a new edition of CLL, and as time goes on, I am probably= willing to accept more of what people want to add/change if it gets that e= dition done.

Additions (if well-documented) are a lot easier to accept than changes, tho= ugh.


lojbab

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