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Probably at least that many >> downloaded/printed the online version(s), or read it online. >> >> For online readers the immediate solution should be to add "How to use >> xorlo" amendment as a separate super-short chapter to the book. >> There is a page "Errata" in the tiki. You may say that "How to use >> xorlo" is kind of an erratum (when viewed from today). >> >> I think it's no hard to implement. >> The two most important versions are: >> http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter1.html >> and >> http://lojban.github.io/cll/ >> >> *Don't you think LLG should order to change them NOW?* >> This would at least stop xorlo schism for online learners who haven't >> bought a paperback edition. >> > > I don't have a strong opinion. xorlo was adopted provisionally, and > therefore should be added to the baseline documentation, but Robin is the > one to decide how it is added. If the old stuff is invalidated, it > probably needs to be documented just what is invalid, which is why I have > long argued for a complete set of change pages. This page if freed from external links and mentions of "bear goo" and other not directly relevant concepts can be included as The First Amendment at least to online versions of CLL: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/How+to+use+xorlo > > lojbab > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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2014-09-14 1:39 GMT+04:00 Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>= ;:
On 9/12/2014 1:57 AM, Gleki = Arxokuna wrote:
2014-09-11 23:50 GMT+04:00 Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org
 <mailto:lojbab@lo= jban.org>>:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 On 9/11/2014 2:16 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I don't know how many people already bought= CLL


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Over 1000 but less than 1250.=C2=A0 Probably at least that ma= ny
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 downloaded/printed the online version(s), or read it online.<= br>
For online readers the immediate solution should be to add "How to use=
xorlo" amendment as a separate super-short=C2=A0 chapter to the book.<= br> There is a page "Errata" in the tiki. You may say that "How = to use
xorlo" is kind of an erratum (when viewed from today).

I think it's no hard to implement.
The two most important versions are:
http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_<= u>grammar/chapter1.html
and
http://lojban.gi= thub.io/cll/

 *Don't you think LLG should order to change them NOW?*=
This would at least stop xorlo schism for online learners who haven't bought a paperback edition.

I don't have a strong opinion.=C2=A0 xorlo was adopted provisionally, a= nd therefore should be added to the baseline documentation, but Robin is th= e one to decide how it is added.=C2=A0 If the old stuff is invalidated, it = probably needs to be documented just what is invalid, which is why I have l= ong argued for a complete set of change pages.

<= div>This page if freed from external links and mentions of "bear goo&q= uot; and other not directly relevant concepts can be included as The First = Amendment at least to online versions of CLL:
<= br>
lojbab

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