Received: from mail-la0-f60.google.com ([209.85.215.60]:57101) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XT68t-00073d-4R for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 02:30:50 -0700 Received: by mail-la0-f60.google.com with SMTP id ge10sf218956lab.25 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 02:30:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=jQ+kgWLoPaURg/M3LHl4bfIy7Uf3LLFl7NZM9ju93sc=; b=TPGz/OmgkgmeATZXJe4hW5DMduas0/UG40UOYJ52671ZEUXweZL/K11VEclZBaoClc 8efG1XzTQsPNCNGi/nSrtwaMuoDW1eI1VP0WWq0/rqxocbD+3JFPcBzoZ4zr5/IRPhbM drZlCb+KEZ+0fvFYyqERgHyBVyLZgvb1CiGY4Cfad/46U3nuUz4w8pbAeXpWftaS2fOX ZL2D4ZvxWGwrEBVCObHgVAapuoZRFaPS+rtpP6+VqKcnG4NRwicPYrLpt4C/Xco3bFLL 3pU4heJ8z+GAG9uWeddxt4Uyo0ygjjDoa+1DXW6HkWMpDrRVRSNszphX8B8K9teC5diy JPqw== X-Received: by 10.152.7.226 with SMTP id m2mr288822laa.0.1410687039729; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 02:30:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.30.97 with SMTP id r1ls292010lah.6.gmail; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 02:30:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.167.165 with SMTP id zp5mr5571668lbb.9.1410687038239; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 02:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-x22d.google.com (mail-lb0-x22d.google.com [2a00:1450:4010:c04::22d]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fa3si703968lbc.0.2014.09.14.02.30.38 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 14 Sep 2014 02:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of dlacewell@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c04::22d as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c04::22d; Received: by mail-lb0-f173.google.com with SMTP id w7so3014867lbi.4 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 02:30:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.130.101 with SMTP id od5mr1397635lbb.76.1410687038172; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 02:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.168.75 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 02:30:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <25B055499F67420FA34794323F9A95AB@gmail.com> <540B374A.9040409@lojban.org> <540B8D1B.8050807@gmail.com> <540F391F.5050002@lojban.org> <540F6802.3070709@gmail.com> <5410B7BF.9030005@lojban.org> <5411FCE9.3090907@lojban.org> <5414B97E.8050502@lojban.org> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 02:30:37 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] the future of Lojban's leadership From: Dustin Lacewell To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: DLacewell@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of dlacewell@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c04::22d as permitted sender) smtp.mail=dlacewell@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b343442ccb2390503032b65 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7b343442ccb2390503032b65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 "My attitude is a direct response to being diminished and dismissed. I'll change it when that changes." I don't mean me, personally. I mean entire groups of people, dismissed out right, out of hand. On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 2:29 AM, Dustin Lacewell wrote: > Gleki, > > If all you have left is the tried and wearied approach of accusing others > of destroying the langauge and driving out speakers then ... wait that's > what essentially every argument you put forth is founded on. You can wave > your hands and talk about some unnamed people I've 'driven out' at the same > time I point to the speakers I've brought to the language. > > "Please, change your attitude." > > My attitude is a direct response to being diminished and dismissed. I'll > change it when that changes. > > On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 1:53 AM, And Rosta wrote: > >> On 14 Sep 2014 09:16, "Gleki Arxokuna" >> wrote: >> > (it's not a secret that the intensity of community work has dropped >> since 2003 which was shown earlier by la mukti's historical studies). >> >> What and where are these historical studies? 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"My attitude is a direct response to being diminished = and dismissed. I'll change it when that changes."

I don't mean me, personally. I mean entire groups of people,=C2= =A0dismissed=C2=A0out r= ight, out of hand.

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On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 2:29 AM, Dustin Lacewell= <dlacewell@gmail.com> wrote:
Gleki,

If all you have left is th= e tried and wearied approach of accusing others of destroying the langauge = and driving out speakers then ... wait that's what essentially every ar= gument you put forth is founded on. You can wave your hands and talk about = some unnamed people I've 'driven out' at the same time I point = to the speakers I've brought to the language.

= "Please, change your attitude."

<= div>My attitude is a direct response to be= ing diminished and dismissed. I'll change it when that changes.<= /div>

On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 1:53 AM, And Rost= a <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:

On 14 Sep 2014 09:16, "Gleki Arxokuna"= ; <gleki= .is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
> (it's not a secret that the intensity of community work has droppe= d since 2003 which was shown earlier by la mukti's historical studies).=

What and where are these historical studies? Was 2003= the historical peak?

--And.

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