Received: from mail-ee0-f60.google.com ([74.125.83.60]:35212) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XT6kv-0007DO-Si for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 03:10:08 -0700 Received: by mail-ee0-f60.google.com with SMTP id b15sf228786eek.25 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 03:09:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=6h3MDUCbyAG/yY061iPOO8KubA2ZmI5qet+vZWBoL1g=; b=FKBJtyBiSLqeE6GvMzOyGovwRmurjyTJtTAor0hGgIQConXQ8lqQqqD17Mrnlug4ux j/VJVctw+QavcmOwKeUIXhLj3O0l0jbJ2ATk4toqJbpLM+/ijOD2aEt45kZdMlgKwbR2 kccIlUm5ct7HuWG7K+qqEEIFAz2kLb5XKc9efknwDlauUmskqL0wJ/6UF5vNFyelcAVT YMQ/F/y72YZqaCSO5YiEiG9R6AviOr47IgDquRIyQK623V1o6OOUztWg9IrF2tqf0PJ9 aC3k1QRj5yXkSZsIh6f1JYbpqF64bl4ONQLUoUyiKeHzvFDIZFLS99OPHqP55xGZAAui JQNw== X-Received: by 10.180.24.41 with SMTP id r9mr47508wif.6.1410689398887; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 03:09:58 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.87.133 with SMTP id ay5ls285839wib.17.gmail; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 03:09:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.205.138 with SMTP id lg10mr34318wjc.5.1410689398174; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 03:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x22e.google.com (mail-wi0-x22e.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c05::22e]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p7si450102wiz.1.2014.09.14.03.09.58 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 14 Sep 2014 03:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22e as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::22e; Received: by mail-wi0-f174.google.com with SMTP id n3so2730605wiv.13 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 03:09:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.119.9 with SMTP id kq9mr24548570wjb.25.1410689398064; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 03:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.89.193 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 03:09:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <25B055499F67420FA34794323F9A95AB@gmail.com> <540B374A.9040409@lojban.org> <540B8D1B.8050807@gmail.com> <540F391F.5050002@lojban.org> <540F6802.3070709@gmail.com> <5410B7BF.9030005@lojban.org> <5411FCE9.3090907@lojban.org> <5414B97E.8050502@lojban.org> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 14:09:57 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] the future of Lojban's leadership From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22e as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0118451e75cbe3050303b886 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --089e0118451e75cbe3050303b886 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2014-09-14 13:29 GMT+04:00 Dustin Lacewell : > Gleki, > > If all you have left is the tried and wearied approach of accusing others > of destroying the langauge > Everything has been explained what destroys the language. What has destoyed it is the lack of up to date refgram after 2003 reforms. What you are trying is to destroy what is left. Show me what you offer instead: the corpus of texts, the refgram, tutorials. You show absolutely nothing. At least write some texts in Lojban. Do something. I can't see that. and driving out speakers then ... wait that's what essentially every > argument you put forth is founded on. You can wave your hands and talk > about some unnamed people I've 'driven out' at the same time I point to the > speakers I've brought to the language. > > "Please, change your attitude." > > My attitude is a direct response to being diminished and dismissed. I'll > change it when that changes. > You've driven out not unnamed people. They had nicknames in IRC, in Facebook. Shall we drag this out of logs? Should we? Of course I can do that. I'd just prefer doing other more valuable work. But if this continues (which I hope will not) of course I'll have to take some actions. Why are you talking on behalf of other people that ti'e being dismissed? Why Lojbab or me are not qualified and you are qualified? > > On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 1:53 AM, And Rosta wrote: > >> On 14 Sep 2014 09:16, "Gleki Arxokuna" >> wrote: >> > (it's not a secret that the intensity of community work has dropped >> since 2003 which was shown earlier by la mukti's historical studies). >> >> What and where are these historical studies? 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= 2014-09-14 13:29 GMT+04:00 Dustin Lacewell <dlacewell@gmail.com><= /span>:
Gleki,

<= /div>
If all you have left is the tried and wearied approach of accusin= g others of destroying the langauge

=
Everything has been explained what destroys the language. What has des= toyed it is the lack of up to date refgram after 2003 reforms.
What you are trying =C2=A0is to destroy what is left.

Show me what you offer instead: the corpus of texts, the r= efgram, tutorials.

You show absolutely nothing.
At least write some texts in Lojban. Do something.=C2=A0
=
I can't see that.

and driving out speakers then ... wait= that's what essentially every argument you put forth is founded on. Yo= u can wave your hands and talk about some unnamed people I've 'driv= en out' at the same time I point to the speakers I've brought to th= e language.

"Please, change your attitude.&quo= t;

M= y attitude is a direct response to being diminished and dismissed. I'll= change it when that changes.

You've driven out not unnamed people. They had nicknames in IRC, = in Facebook.

Shall we drag this out of logs?
=
Should we? Of course I can do that. I'd just prefer doing other mo= re valuable work. But if this continues (which I hope will not) of course I= 'll have to take some actions.

Why are you tal= king on behalf of other people that ti'e being dismissed?
Why= Lojbab or me are not qualified and you are qualified?

=

=C2=A0

On Sun, Se= p 14, 2014 at 1:53 AM, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wro= te:

On 14 Sep 2014 09:16, "Gleki Arxokuna" <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.c= om> wrote:
> (it's not a secret that the intensity of community work has droppe= d since 2003 which was shown earlier by la mukti's historical studies).=

What and where are these historical studies? Was 2003= the historical peak?

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