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[68.230.241.213]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id k7si588331qcm.2.2014.09.14.18.27.16 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 18:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: none (google.com: lojbab@lojban.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=68.230.241.213; Received: from eastrmimpo209 ([68.230.241.224]) by eastrmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20140915012716.DSRR5255.eastrmfepo101.cox.net@eastrmimpo209> for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 21:27:16 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.102] ([72.209.248.61]) by eastrmimpo209 with cox id rDTF1o00V1LDWBL01DTFLR; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 21:27:15 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020206.54164073.0110,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=H/cFNZki c=1 sm=1 a=z9jnGXjs1dxvEuWvIXKNSw==:17 a=BGi6d-X4uLYA:10 a=3nxpHsJdzcUA:10 a=VxwYiO3ECrQA:10 a=xmHE3fpoGJwA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=L6RxJEP2CJay-ByhLmsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=z9jnGXjs1dxvEuWvIXKNSw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <54164074.30004@lojban.org> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 21:27:16 -0400 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] the future of Lojban's leadership References: <25B055499F67420FA34794323F9A95AB@gmail.com> <540B374A.9040409@lojban.org> <540B8D1B.8050807@gmail.com> <540F391F.5050002@lojban.org> <540F6802.3070709@gmail.com> <5410B7BF.9030005@lojban.org> <5411FCE9.3090907@lojban.org> <5414B97E.8050502@lojban.org> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: lojbab@lojban.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - On 9/14/2014 3:25 PM, Dustin Lacewell wrote: > I mean, fine, if this is the sediment that is left after this entire > thread as been boiled away great. You get what you wish for because no > matter how many times you groan and say 'but but but there's these > existing things that... well .. someone has to do first!' those words > are not a magical spell that mystically summon some creature willing to > bide your will for you. While you are spewing, others, including selpa'i are working. > It doesn't change that the process for your language is broken, reader. Human language doesn't generally have a process, which is why it is broken. (Computer languages are unlike human languages in that respect). > Your language will die because it stands on a cult of personality. I rather hope not. As the supposed object of this cult of personality, I've seen relatively little cultish behavior, and I do my damnedest to make sure it doesn't emerge. Zamenhof set the model for this in dealing with proponents of change to Esperanto. Would that I could do so well. lojbab -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.