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[216.39.63.100]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id pk7si1747217pbc.2.2014.09.15.08.14.08 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:14:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 216.39.63.100 as permitted sender) client-ip=216.39.63.100; Received: from [216.39.60.167] by nm12.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2014 15:14:07 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.164] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2014 15:14:07 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2014 15:14:07 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 819385.31102.bm@omp1030.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 11965 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Sep 2014 15:14:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0c.a9g0VM1k1hyYUZYNEzW_aeWgBFgq5XAVEFeBvHhvagrb e2w09Ranc5DkUDz_x1kUIttu5gdH6ZZ_D0c4_.3ylNGUKHtpcNcB.CmSkrbN mvMk2UR7ZLgmMkxayEGYLsoAggZO4v7M8VYtHaVikAIrR1GNOf74x5eJ3HZK Lu08n7IyGlWkHCrng3DD3ySVeQTFc5cayj4bQ.2o4Uuj8.a9YAJAZdk81z3n 12Gy24T9KeNxdn1eRNtkmVT4yVOS0P05zd.ieLRf4bw1Id7qkkJhrzSbZ1_l qrfAsukkGibakPn8CWr51kJZ93ihZr1mJYc4j6gctEXbsB7kbIURNqgEEmuz HZp3as.zCM9baTEkicSlkZ4uaKnavwegWa7VgAoyif5ZtSaHArSwMmLyHqzA kvjxvxXY40.jETyecesBmv7RRsRRPLv2d9Ar4hXqavxpI.OaDYkA0pi7zwZw B._xwyzc4qBqJizkdnjZHVXP_CYee8SMGyPycEQp5yuIE8cR2F3pOVXSqz9p G59oHRsiAzet9rBx8IxQVaF_c001wgy99f7wSh8hv_awdsUdZ08CAKKaiLlu cMfd_EcyGOc3XaLxLXA4EeWc3lt5.6r9YNNvSM1DBv8bkXmh2FcmtW.61XGO TRHz6uVwR4vXSHPuuocCy7oNtnkDyPm55M5KCfrF9x_X6MnCFTpZp8Zzr8.k A1BXiUiRokArIAfS66649Gb_STydm9WMKqOV4UOJAqqn_jdSIh.OzOJLGsjx ODlBeciKvTNnPCufLmJGSfR4- Received: from [99.92.109.82] by web181101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:14:06 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,WWVzLCB0aGUgcHJvbGlmZXJhdGlvbiBwcm9ibGVtIGlzIGEgc2VyaW91cyBvbmUuICBUaGVyZSBhcmUgYSBoYWxmIGEgZG96ZW4gbG9naWNhbCBsYW5ndWFnZXMgKGluIHRoZSBwcmVzZW50IHNlbnNlKSBhcm91bmQgaW4gdmFyaW91cyBzdGFnZXMgb2YgZGV2ZWxvcG1lbnQgKG1vc3RseSBlYXJseSkgYW5kIGFjdGl2aXR5IChtb3N0bHkgc2xpZ2h0KS4gIFRoaXMgbmV3IGVudGVycHJpc2Ugc2VlbXMgdG8gYmUgZHJpdmVuIGxlc3MgYnkgdGhlIG9sZCAicGVyZmVjdGlvbiBiZWluZyB0aGUgZW5lbXkgb2YgdGgBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.203.696 References: Message-ID: <1410794046.11792.YahooMailNeo@web181101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:14:06 -0700 From: "'John E Clifford' via lojban" Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Logos Initiative To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 216.39.63.100 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass header.i=@yahoo.com; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=yahoo.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Original-From: John E Clifford Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1013620071-1444209564-1410794046=:11792" X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --1013620071-1444209564-1410794046=:11792 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, the proliferation problem is a serious one. There are a half a dozen = logical languages (in the present sense) around in various stages of develo= pment (mostly early) and activity (mostly slight). This new enterprise see= ms to be driven less by the old "perfection being the enemy of the good" bu= gbear and more by frustration with bureaucratic inertia (though, interestin= gly, the first step in the project is to set up a new bureaucracy). Person= ally, though I am perfection-driven, I have decided that it is a better use= of time and talent (a lot of the one, a little of the other) to work with = a nearly completed project in the hope that it will mange to get completed = into a product that is good enough (does all the crucial things, even if in= sloppy, inefficient, even ugly, ways). =20 On Monday, September 15, 2014 9:45 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: =20 2014-09-15 18:39 GMT+04:00 TR NS : in part a reconciliation between Loglan and Lojban, in fact these days there is no disagreement between Academy of Loglan and L= LG as far as I remember. And don't forget of http://xkcd.com/927/ --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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Yes, the proliferation problem is a serious one. &= nbsp;There are a half a dozen logical languages (in the present sense) arou= nd in various stages of development (mostly early) and activity (mostly sli= ght).  This new enterprise seems to be driven less by the old "perfect= ion being the enemy of the good" bugbear and more by frustration with burea= ucratic inertia (though, interestingly, the first step in the project is to= set up a new bureaucracy).  Personally, though I am perfection-driven= , I have decided that it is a better use of time and talent (a lot of the o= ne, a little of the other) to work with a nearly completed project in the h= ope that it will mange to get completed into a product that is good enough = (does all the crucial things, even if in sloppy, inefficient, even ugly, ways).  


On Monday, Sept= ember 15, 2014 9:45 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> w= rote:



2014-09-15= 18:39 GMT+04:00 TR NS <transfire@gmail.com>:
in part a reconciliation between Loglan and Lojban,

in fact these days there is no disagreeme= nt between Academy of Loglan and LLG as far as I remember.

And don't forget of http://xkcd.com/927/


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