Received: from mail-qa0-f64.google.com ([209.85.216.64]:36736) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XTYCw-0004zZ-4t for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:28:52 -0700 Received: by mail-qa0-f64.google.com with SMTP id v10sf896792qac.19 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:28:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=2rYjceKmCWlJIsSnUmxb8Rd7Krt2ToP9UuI3XQwa+NY=; b=DlWx4ACIwGL4fCZJ4Yys3EiOFCzFN8bWgRzrrSsPCdBpmWfBaHOa43ZsPubXZ3yjXQ nowWqPdAksXZpoVI8NPRsw+FjaB17zN5NBOEPGkm4f4PW0h1ZlKkxoMnLo6VNfcuJd+z hKC/hHe/IbECd/QonEOxJO6Hp/FSj/ziMg88WuO73dQswBPEejtpNyMazp2xvgoc+15Q CH36aaYZpO9WGRE5ssaSB/FQNFzge14W+fLHLR4T7EO/w+Y+qeLQFzkscovMeFBMwNe/ /C2U5MnDwgCveSw680rsNUZGIqFuaaILBg3olg4Ur41nZ6fx3bZBK1zEH5Zsm+XBCE+Q l6nA== X-Received: by 10.50.119.7 with SMTP id kq7mr235371igb.12.1410794923750; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:28:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.62.19 with SMTP id u19ls2067748igr.34.gmail; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:28:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.193.227 with SMTP id hr3mr15832713pac.0.1410794923351; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qa0-x22d.google.com (mail-qa0-x22d.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22d]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t6si198198qcd.0.2014.09.15.08.28.43 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22d as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22d; Received: by mail-qa0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id s7so3980670qap.4 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:28:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.8.131 with SMTP id h3mr35965236qah.35.1410794923198; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.50.167 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:28:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 09:28:43 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Logos Initiative From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22d as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2be643f936a05031c4ad3 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c2be643f936a05031c4ad3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I wish you luck with your fork. On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 8:39 AM, TR NS wrote: > After reading the Leadership thread and many other old threads on this > list, and taking into account my own views on these matters, which appear > to be shared by a number of others, I have concluded that it is not > unreasonable to begin a new logical language project. To this end I have > started the Logos Initiative and Logla Prime ( > https://github.com/LogosInitiative/logla). > > The intent of this initiative is to use a modern open source development > model to build a new mainline logical language --in part a reconciliation > between Loglan and Lojban, and via this model manage the evolution of that > language. This is not something I have started lightly, but rather because > I think it important. I think the world needs a strongly evolving > constructed and logical language. One that continues to push the boundaries > toward greater perfection in human communication. > > I believe this new initiative will be of actual benefit to Lojban and the > LLG as it will free the LLG to focus on the promotion of Lojban as a > language of everyday communication rather than worry with the heavy barrage > of linguistic "tinkering". > > The initiative is, obviously, in its earliest stages. At this point, it > needs the aid of committed and capable persons to chair the supervisory > committee, expand the website, flesh out bylaws, and to the wider community > of logical language enthusiasts, to submit proposals. Communication is > facilitated via Github issues ( > https://github.com/LogosInitiative/logla/issues) and the Google Group ( > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/logla). > > I hope this initiative is received in a positive light, even by those that > may feel a bit ruffled by it. In the end, it surely must be a more > constructive approach than continually arguing against changes to Lojban. > > .io > .trans. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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I wish you luck with your fork.

On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 8:39 AM, T= R NS <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:
After reading the Leadership thread and man= y other old threads on this list, and taking into account my own views on t= hese matters, which appear to be shared by a number of others, I have concl= uded that it is not unreasonable to begin a new logical language project. T= o this end I have started the Logos Initiative and Logla Prime (https://github.= com/LogosInitiative/logla).

The intent of this= initiative is to use a modern open source development model to build a new= mainline logical language --in part a reconciliation between Loglan and Lo= jban, and via this model manage the evolution of that language. This is not= something I have started lightly, but rather because I think it important.= I think the world needs a strongly evolving constructed and logical langua= ge. One that continues to push the boundaries toward greater perfection in = human communication.

I believe this new initiative= will be of actual benefit to Lojban and the LLG as it will free the LLG to= focus on the promotion of Lojban as a language of everyday communication r= ather than worry with the heavy barrage of linguistic "tinkering"= .

The initiative is, obviously, in its earliest st= ages. At this point, it needs the aid of committed and capable persons to c= hair the supervisory committee, expand the website, flesh out bylaws, and t= o the wider community of logical language enthusiasts, to submit proposals.= Communication is facilitated via Github issues (https://github.com/Logo= sInitiative/logla/issues) and the Google Group (https://groups.google.= com/forum/#!forum/logla).

I hope this initiati= ve is received in a positive light, even by those that may feel a bit ruffl= ed by it. In the end, it surely must be a more constructive approach than c= ontinually arguing against changes to Lojban.

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