Received: from mail-oa0-f64.google.com ([209.85.219.64]:39062) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XTb8i-0007so-As for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:36:41 -0700 Received: by mail-oa0-f64.google.com with SMTP id jd19sf929049oac.9 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:36:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=mS7d7T3xh4O/fG8TZ4m2fxqmrCsG2Sk2NZdgh1aA41c=; b=SQdBfEC3fFMY/Rl4ozJbUEzDbHpzvwwpVB4PkZxNYDLVIrtZm9a/r4GXvFu+0yYg5v EcPHob6GhJHG+9M0vZalhH1x37aLdO1FxTjzc9Dva7pK8nVInu0sHLPhs0A2xyE4Ggs4 LoM4I99fjPvLUv65APG8z4si0twxZaHrZvyzeSDC2uaHLanmLhabZe+M+dq4Tj2IGzd1 mxGwMN8olOhYEJpmE+o6jtWumE3iKKycdDZJS0fWHvGgeA9PevhHjPvKtw++kErynG3C r8rl9lMP6fCekNS53LwG7hNEI4I691H9tTgHLlb9fzHlkY/Sv4kuPWESFuvnkH8VI9Uq CzCQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=mS7d7T3xh4O/fG8TZ4m2fxqmrCsG2Sk2NZdgh1aA41c=; b=HYMNBkwuElshMAyZ5RLtvdQbhp4pKKw7I24rqB/z63hRuapBO1hHcv/MfbZA86wcy7 JW5b+HioSs2CBFiC+8TSqvP9xcK7jOMf5Yzy031WRveAVOChJJ4C89cbV+UTMRNE6J+T YdvVTGTc9tUvaVtdRppbH0ex9s+L/9AK6pD4BhTwTelfrApres1uYSvD/5NhxjvsVRcw jR/wSl4d+b4pehVdptYfR6hFgqHKu8ZKs+sN7GAR4+un27mSWNqZZi8SOAHJEW1h3fui VbWglj6RZutDb1eLk+OUC7oO8X7xcmKXMY+INo0RxWCw6mU+Hbs6w7E0r4OQhSsbXzSS oOqg== X-Received: by 10.140.108.203 with SMTP id j69mr30317qgf.30.1410806192916; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:36:32 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.17.70 with SMTP id 64ls558469qgc.37.gmail; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:36:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.108.74 with SMTP id i68mr478914qgf.1.1410806192557; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:36:29 -0700 (PDT) From: TR NS To: lojban@googlegroups.com Cc: kali9putra@yahoo.com Message-Id: <458daa4c-52ca-48e7-8bc8-535ac72bbf0d@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1410794046.11792.YahooMailNeo@web181101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1410794046.11792.YahooMailNeo@web181101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Logos Initiative MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: transfire@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2693_714650377.1410806190999" X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - ------=_Part_2693_714650377.1410806190999 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Monday, September 15, 2014 11:14:10 AM UTC-4, clifford wrote: > > Yes, the proliferation problem is a serious one. There are a half a dozen > logical languages (in the present sense) around in various stages of > development (mostly early) and activity (mostly slight). This new > enterprise seems to be driven less by the old "perfection being the enemy > of the good" bugbear and more by frustration with bureaucratic inertia > (though, interestingly, the first step in the project is to set up a new > bureaucracy). > I wish it wasn't necessary. But someone has to manage the project and make the final approvals. Just the facts of life. However, it will be kept as simple, minimal and fair as possible. Personally, though I am perfection-driven, I have decided that it is a > better use of time and talent (a lot of the one, a little of the other) to > work with a nearly completed project in the hope that it will mange to get > completed into a product that is good enough (does all the crucial things, > even if in sloppy, inefficient, even ugly, ways). > The hard question is, when is "good enough" good enough? That's why I created this project, as a way to keep getting better. I don't think it needs to be an either-or choice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_2693_714650377.1410806190999 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Monday, September 15, 2014 11:14:10 AM UTC-4, c= lifford wrote:
Yes,= the proliferation problem is a serious one.  There are a half a dozen= logical languages (in the present sense) around in various stages of devel= opment (mostly early) and activity (mostly slight).  This new enterpri= se seems to be driven less by the old "perfection being the enemy of the go= od" bugbear and more by frustration with bureaucratic inertia (though, inte= restingly, the first step in the project is to set up a new bureaucracy). &= nbsp;

I wish it wa= sn't necessary. But someone has to manage the project and make the final ap= provals. Just the facts of life. However, it will be kept as simple, minima= l and fair as possible.

Personally, though I am perfection-driven, I have = decided that it is a better use of time and talent (a lot of the one, a lit= tle of the other) to work with a nearly completed project in the hope that = it will mange to get completed into a product that is good enough (does all= the crucial things, even if in sloppy, inefficient, even ugly, ways).  

The hard question is, when is "good enough" good enough? That's why I cr= eated this project, as a way to keep getting better. I don't think it needs= to be an either-or choice. 

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