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Subject: Re: [lojban] Growth and decline in lojbanistan
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Have yo measured the number of edit in the tiki?

2014-09-16 4:49 GMT+04:00 mukti <shunpiker@gmail.com>:

> On Sunday, September 14, 2014 5:53:33 AM UTC-3, And Rosta wrote:
>
> *What and where are these historical studies? Was 2003 the historical
> peak?*
>
> gleki was referring to some informal research I've discussed in IRC. I've
> tried to measure lojbanic activity over time by looking at things like the
> number of messages in the mailing lists and the number of members of LLG.
>
> Mailing list activity seems to have peaked in 2001-2002: The combined
> number of messages in "lojban" and "jboske" topped 7,500 during those
> years. 2003 was the year that LLG reached peak membership (36). Mailing
> list activity declined, but a lot of activity was diverted to the phpBB
> forum supporting the newly formed BPFK.
>
> The years after 2003 saw a steep decline in all of these measurements,
> bottoming out in 2008 (2,100 messages in "lojban" and "lojban-beginners",
> less than 30% of peak activity) and 2009 (17 LLG members, less than 50% of
> peak membership).
>
> Because of the sudden decline -- 2004 mailing list activity was about 50%
> of the previous year -- I've been tempted to read 2003 as the critical
> year, and to look for clues that year as to what happened: What contributed
> to the rapid growth in previous years, and how was that growth reversed so
> quickly?
>
> It looks to me like the adoption of the baseline policy 2002 -- and the
> consequent failure of BPFK to fullfill its expectations despite heroic
> efforts by both chairs -- is where the wheels came off the bus. Which is
> why I would like to bring proposals to the Annual Meeting to determine
> whether specific terms of the baseline policy are still aligned with the
> values and the experience of the community, or whether there's another way
> forward.
>
> I'd be interested to hear from those who were around throughout the 2000s:
> What, from your perspective, happened? And what lessons can be drawn for
> the future?
>
> mi'e la mukti mu'o
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Have yo measured the number of edit in the tiki?</div><div=
 class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2014-09-16 4:49 GMT+0=
4:00 mukti <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shunpiker@gmail.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">shunpiker@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">


<p><span style=3D"line-height:normal">On Sunday, September 14, 2014 5:53:33=
 AM UTC-3, And Rosta wrote:</span><br></p>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><p><i>What =
and where are these historical studies? Was 2003 the historical peak?</i></=
p></blockquote>
<p>gleki was referring to some informal research I&#39;ve discussed in IRC.=
 I&#39;ve tried to measure lojbanic activity over time by looking at things=
 like the number of messages in the mailing lists and the number of members=
 of LLG.</p>
<p>Mailing list activity seems to have peaked in 2001-2002: The combined nu=
mber of messages in &quot;lojban&quot; and &quot;jboske&quot; topped 7,500 =
during those years. 2003 was the year that LLG reached peak membership (36)=
. Mailing list activity declined, but a lot of activity was diverted to the=
 phpBB forum supporting the newly formed BPFK.</p>
<p>The years after 2003 saw a steep decline in all of these measurements, b=
ottoming out in 2008 (2,100 messages in &quot;lojban&quot; and &quot;lojban=
-beginners&quot;, less than 30% of peak activity) and 2009 (17 LLG members,=
 less than 50% of peak membership).</p>
<p>Because of the sudden decline -- 2004 mailing list activity was about 50=
% of the previous year -- I&#39;ve been tempted to read 2003 as the critica=
l year, and to look for clues that year as to what happened: What contribut=
ed to the rapid growth in previous years, and how was that growth reversed =
so quickly?</p>
<p>It looks to me like the adoption of the baseline policy 2002 -- and the =
consequent failure of BPFK to fullfill its expectations despite heroic effo=
rts by both chairs -- is where the wheels came off the bus. Which is why I =
would like to bring proposals to the Annual Meeting to determine whether sp=
ecific terms of the baseline policy are still aligned with the values and t=
he experience of the community, or whether there&#39;s another way forward.=
</p>
<p>I&#39;d be interested to hear from those who were around throughout the =
2000s: What, from your perspective, happened? And what lessons can be drawn=
 for the future?</p><p>mi&#39;e la mukti mu&#39;o</p></div><span class=3D"H=
OEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">

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