Received: from mail-qg0-f63.google.com ([209.85.192.63]:41125) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XTual-0002j6-VW for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 08:22:59 -0700 Received: by mail-qg0-f63.google.com with SMTP id z60sf1155436qgd.18 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 08:22:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=SqofaYEHuUI4lOR3koPB+JcdhILdyPcke3yc9HWLPac=; b=mw/LcDgoF6vllb7w99+jVTSuhoBOEW5JnkQw+cZPRZU5kKSrF5QfeD9O8ILqaBh4tT RmbeDlhOVzP4EQMOR8VokjbePvLq/4XQRBab9DkyRIlBkF6Lq3zSKqz4kIuCAH+9yTXo eaI13fBxJ9H1H9nru/m4OBDWH0Gq1Iorv8e/tVjGgxU4/m1M8VDpkUAQ02J6PNP9a4xZ rXHpFcjf5toP0XVpXTzG8oboQHJnEFt68NA/fPgKY2brBV3MtMt8Ga40w0LQ0Ht5sImL Uo682UqBCFEOfOGL2NBt+bvqG+D5g+x54WSnXvA91Xpp+7vVcgKZoDJXKBPjmbj2e7N8 MAfQ== X-Received: by 10.140.37.39 with SMTP id q36mr17478qgq.10.1410880969385; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 08:22:49 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.96.202 with SMTP id k68ls2061715qge.48.gmail; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 08:22:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.207.101 with SMTP id m65mr19395835yho.41.1410880968759; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 08:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-x233.google.com (mail-vc0-x233.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c03::233]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x19si400550vdi.3.2014.09.16.08.22.48 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 16 Sep 2014 08:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::233 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c03::233; Received: by mail-vc0-f179.google.com with SMTP id im17so1817vcb.10 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 08:22:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.220.50.80 with SMTP id y16mr17083996vcf.50.1410880968645; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 08:22:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.67.141 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 08:22:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5ebfd7de-df4d-4bac-90e9-08d182557c8c@googlegroups.com> From: Jacob Errington Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 11:22:28 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Growth and decline in lojbanistan To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::233 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b34331ef4e4ef0503305238 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7b34331ef4e4ef0503305238 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 16 September 2014 09:21, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrot= e: > > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 9:49 PM, mukti wrote: >> >> Because of the sudden decline -- 2004 mailing list activity was about 50= % >> of the previous year -- I've been tempted to read 2003 as the critical >> year, and to look for clues that year as to what happened: What contribu= ted >> to the rapid growth in previous years, and how was that growth reversed = so >> quickly? >> > Do we have any comparable historical statistics on the lojban irc channel= s > activity? My impression is that the decline in list activity is due at > least in part to a shift from the lists to irc, but I'm not on irc very > often so I can't really say if that's been declining as well or not. > > > Only Lojban text is publicly logged from the main channels, so it's difficult to measure the extent to which things were discussed in any language except Lojban. I think I remember seeing a chart produced in korpora zei sisku that showed that 2012 was the peak activity for discussion in Lojban, in IRC. Anecdotally, I feel that 2012 was a peak in discussion overall, but I do not have comprehensive logs to prove this. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --047d7b34331ef4e4ef0503305238 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 16 September 2014 09:21, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjll= ambias@gmail.com> wrote:


On Mon, Sep 1= 5, 2014 at 9:49 PM, mukti <shunpiker@gmail.com> wrote:

Because of the sudden decline -- 2004 mailing list activity was about 50= % of the previous year -- I've been tempted to read 2003 as the critica= l year, and to look for clues that year as to what happened: What contribut= ed to the rapid growth in previous years, and how was that growth reversed = so quickly?

Do we have any comparable his= torical statistics on the lojban irc channels activity? My impression is th= at the decline in list activity is due at least in part to a shift from the= lists to irc, but I'm not on irc very often so I can't really say = if that's been declining as well or not.


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Only Lojban text is publicly l= ogged from the main channels, so it's difficult to measure the extent t= o which things were discussed in any language except Lojban. I think I reme= mber seeing a chart produced in korpora zei sisku that showed that 2012 was= the peak activity for discussion in Lojban, in IRC.

Anecdotally, I = feel that 2012 was a peak in discussion overall, but I do not have comprehe= nsive logs to prove this.

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