Received: from mail-ob0-f192.google.com ([209.85.214.192]:54692) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XTvGQ-00035N-KK for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 09:05:59 -0700 Received: by mail-ob0-f192.google.com with SMTP id va2sf13813obc.9 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 09:05:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Zu4koKsaYEaSQ1cFA7sIoBZI5XHaGRlGW+VtE15S48U=; b=ag1wmja5REXj8xeyF3MoJELDagM7oVKXyCvfe8cB0pjEF/tpEuw1ZiigwS0IFY9Ue0 S3NZJXp+B6rzm6WEUh1mvksApJoce+O3JqnjDsS6V0Ute+XoAnQ4x829/dSLmXfJo0tn nCPgy/xDcHJLNHV0xQ1lIQq/mxOsPO4XfNh7EkRXt3myyvzmaUlhm1OEQ5KS7fQnM8hH HUPVRH+9xOR8FTtMbKgpvonzk45dCGnwDTCFwdj/5HqMJS8URlFwOEHFg8yudEbJIL1Y 7a9e0rGBJ/APiePzgHGRvosKnlwiHMGcVyP4JxLq6L7ScFfjudaiXiV9Q0RpUBMQTbgK MKIw== X-Received: by 10.182.33.33 with SMTP id o1mr9507obi.40.1410883551953; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 09:05:51 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.126.7 with SMTP id mu7ls843216obb.79.gmail; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 09:05:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.247.34 with SMTP id yb2mr15936996obc.37.1410883550248; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 09:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmfepo201.cox.net (eastrmfepo201.cox.net. [68.230.241.216]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ld1si1831254qcb.3.2014.09.16.09.05.49 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 09:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: none (google.com: lojbab@lojban.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=68.230.241.216; Received: from eastrmimpo110 ([68.230.241.223]) by eastrmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20140916160549.VRMV31475.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo110> for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 12:05:49 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.102] ([72.209.248.61]) by eastrmimpo110 with cox id rs5p1o0071LDWBL01s5pPH; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 12:05:49 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020202.54185FDD.013C,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=GKHW5JxK c=1 sm=1 a=z9jnGXjs1dxvEuWvIXKNSw==:17 a=BGi6d-X4uLYA:10 a=RpE3YcRdmCsA:10 a=xmHE3fpoGJwA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=8BPYvqD7YvwrRF7hoQgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=z9jnGXjs1dxvEuWvIXKNSw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <54185FDF.50102@lojban.org> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 12:05:51 -0400 From: "Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG" Organization: The Logical Language Group, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Logos Initiative References: <541714B1.9080300@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: lojbab@lojban.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - On 9/16/2014 2:38 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > Xorlo was an unlucky part of Lojban history where the founders like > Lojbab didnt see it as a change invalidating CLL, and the others didnt > bother of amending books and the dictionary. Actually I did, but I was a) greatly outvoted and b) convinced that the existing gadri system was broken in a way that made it undocumentable to BPFK standards, by the people who had accepted responsibility for doing so (i.e. Nick and later Robin as jatnas). One of the few reasons for accepting a change to the baseline, was if CLL was incorrect or self-contradictory. Having something that was fundamentally broken was another plausible reason. The active people on the byfy were overwhelmingly convinced that this was the case for gadri, and the really tough question was as to what was the minimal change needed to fix things. lojbab -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.