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User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Logos Initiative References: In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: lojbab@lojban.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - On 9/15/2014 11:14 AM, 'John E Clifford' via lojban wrote: > Yes, the proliferation problem is a serious one. There are a half a > dozen logical languages (in the present sense) around in various stages > of development (mostly early) and activity (mostly slight). This new > enterprise seems to be driven less by the old "perfection being the > enemy of the good" bugbear and more by frustration with bureaucratic > inertia (though, interestingly, the first step in the project is to set > up a new bureaucracy). Personally, though I am perfection-driven, I > have decided that it is a better use of time and talent (a lot of the > one, a little of the other) to work with a nearly completed project in > the hope that it will mange to get completed into a product that is good > enough (does all the crucial things, even if in sloppy, inefficient, > even ugly, ways). I think you are correct. I can imagine a successor to Lojban emerging in the future, perhaps being developed by people using Lojban rather than English as the medium of communication, which incidentally might reduce the likelihood of dominance by English native speakers. But I won't be involved in such a successor effort. And the inherent competition between artificial languages for the limited pool of interested people and their time means that I cannot wish such an effort to be successful so long as Lojban has a chance to be. lojbab -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.