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So x3 would be the direction that the side > >of the cube is facing. > > Let's work with actual examples: > > le bolci cu zunle le kubli mi > le bolci cu mlana le kubli fo mi > > The ball is to the left of the cube (considering the cube as facing me). > The ball is to the side of the cube (considering the cube as facing > or with its back to me, same thing). > > The "front" of the cube is the side that faces me. > In this case, the ball has no face, so x3 of mlana is meaningless, > right? > > >The note in the cf. applies in particular to zunle and pritu, and I was > >trying to clarify how mlana differs from them. In those two, the frame of > >reference is determined by what direction is "front". > > Front of x2, right? Not front of the speaker. > > >In mlana, the > >orientation is not so limited, and x2 could be facing in any direction, > and > >x4 could be specified independent of how x2 is facing. > > Could you give an example? Do you mean that I could say > {le bolci cu mlana la djan} when the ball is in front of > John? In that case, what would I put in x3 and x4? > > >The wording of the > >note says that zunle and pritu ARE limited in that x3 of those words must > >be the front. > > Isn't x4 of mlana the same thing as x3 of pritu/zunle? > > >I'll accept suggestions for better wording, should clarifications be > >permitted in the dictionary. I'll agree that the wording is anything but > >clear as it is. > > I'm not sure I understand what x3 of mlana is for yet. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Has this been solved?
lo bolci cu mlana fi ma


On Sunday, August 25, 2002 4:53:08 AM UTC+4, Jorge Llambias wrote= :

la lojbab cusku di'e

&g= t;After verifying with Nora (so this is two opinions as to what I meant), w= e
>were trying to deal with things like cubes which have 6 sides/face= s, and
>the orientation is arbitrary.  So x3 would be the direct= ion that the side
>of the cube is facing.

Let's work with actua= l examples:

    le bolci cu zunle le kubli mi
  &nb= sp; le bolci cu mlana le kubli fo mi

The ball is to the left of the c= ube (considering the cube as facing me).
The ball is to the side of the = cube (considering the cube as facing
or with its back to me, same thing)= .

The "front" of the cube is the side that faces me.
In this case,= the ball has no face, so x3 of mlana is meaningless,
right?

>T= he note in the cf. applies in particular to zunle and pritu, and I was
&= gt;trying to clarify how mlana differs from them.  In those two, the f= rame of
>reference is determined by what direction is "front".

= Front of x2, right? Not front of the speaker.

>In mlana, the
&g= t;orientation is not so limited, and x2 could be facing in any direction, a= nd
>x4 could be specified independent of how x2 is facing.

Coul= d you give an example? Do you mean that I could say
{le bolci cu mlana l= a djan} when the ball is in front of
John? In that case, what would I pu= t in x3 and x4?

>The wording of the
>note says that zunle an= d pritu ARE limited in that x3 of those words must
>be the front.

=

Isn't x4 of mlana the same thing as x3 of pritu/zunle?

>I'll ac= cept suggestions for better wording, should clarifications be
>permit= ted in the dictionary.  I'll agree that the wording is anything but>clear as it is.

I'm not sure I understand what x3 of mlana is fo= r yet.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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