Received: from mail-wg0-f60.google.com ([74.125.82.60]:53168) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XUHfr-0006oA-BG for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:01:45 -0700 Received: by mail-wg0-f60.google.com with SMTP id n12sf162950wgh.25 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:01:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=g4gv7EKkOSDmok0YWu+HwPFi06PwVr3QyuED+psSTgE=; b=SErPdTWfzExh3F/nTKFHA63D652XYi98gpruCJaD2uO7xF6wakEbfFR0m5KxTjACPA dHBIEWwYIRMRroH+l4ysNSWgjZZcNMym9gdSx7oUi97G6g8Ibe6cAY/IvkWM1tdKNTaM rV2HF4kytI2f7t0Uwdb6N/Rcehxm91ZS6v/Fnd+9jaf1vhTeA8fAhx+cZKhnt9CgJSNL elXt+BC2VDgUfchRGvMoNz908xwZvgLd7jT1MH0EDpLZQmEUQFaTMiMEtXppvYr0A5zZ vqIExCBtlem1D8iuNsdWwnH8GajYaIh00SViwBmcZQMlDXTOt1l7Ya/iPDoe9QxRG2DN hx7Q== X-Received: by 10.152.10.74 with SMTP id g10mr13598lab.32.1410969696472; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:01:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.120.100 with SMTP id lb4ls137515lab.82.gmail; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:01:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.199.169 with SMTP id jl9mr9049lbc.24.1410969695128; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-x22e.google.com (mail-la0-x22e.google.com [2a00:1450:4010:c03::22e]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b6si404114lbd.1.2014.09.17.09.01.35 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::22e as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c03::22e; Received: by mail-la0-f46.google.com with SMTP id el20so2157577lab.19 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:01:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.18.165 with SMTP id x5mr46268725lad.42.1410969695003; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.25.229 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:01:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1060c4ec-025e-4edd-93a8-6ac08d02f672@googlegroups.com> References: <1060c4ec-025e-4edd-93a8-6ac08d02f672@googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 13:01:34 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] mlana From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::22e as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0141aa9475a7b2050344fbc3 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --089e0141aa9475a7b2050344fbc3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 9:33 AM, la gleki wrote: > Has this been solved? > lo bolci cu mlana fi ma > In my mind, it has: "mlana" only has three places, the same place structure as "zunle", "pritu", "crane", "trixe", etc. Officially, we don't know yet. > > On Sunday, August 25, 2002 4:53:08 AM UTC+4, Jorge Llambias wrote: >> >> >> la lojbab cusku di'e >> >> >After verifying with Nora (so this is two opinions as to what I meant), >> we >> >were trying to deal with things like cubes which have 6 sides/faces, and >> >the orientation is arbitrary. So x3 would be the direction that the side >> >of the cube is facing. >> >> Let's work with actual examples: >> >> le bolci cu zunle le kubli mi >> le bolci cu mlana le kubli fo mi >> >> The ball is to the left of the cube (considering the cube as facing me). >> The ball is to the side of the cube (considering the cube as facing >> or with its back to me, same thing). >> >> The "front" of the cube is the side that faces me. >> In this case, the ball has no face, so x3 of mlana is meaningless, >> right? >> >> >The note in the cf. applies in particular to zunle and pritu, and I was >> >trying to clarify how mlana differs from them. In those two, the frame >> of >> >reference is determined by what direction is "front". >> >> Front of x2, right? Not front of the speaker. >> >> >In mlana, the >> >orientation is not so limited, and x2 could be facing in any direction, >> and >> >x4 could be specified independent of how x2 is facing. >> >> Could you give an example? Do you mean that I could say >> {le bolci cu mlana la djan} when the ball is in front of >> John? In that case, what would I put in x3 and x4? >> >> >The wording of the >> >note says that zunle and pritu ARE limited in that x3 of those words must >> >be the front. >> >> Isn't x4 of mlana the same thing as x3 of pritu/zunle? >> >> >I'll accept suggestions for better wording, should clarifications be >> >permitted in the dictionary. I'll agree that the wording is anything but >> >clear as it is. >> >> I'm not sure I understand what x3 of mlana is for yet. >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com >> >> >> ------------------------ Yahoo! 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On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 9:33 AM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@g= mail.com> wrote:
Has this been solved?
lo bolci cu mlana fi ma

In my mind, it has: "mlana" only has = three places, the same place structure as "zunle", "pritu&qu= ot;, "crane", "trixe", etc.

Of= ficially, we don't know yet.
=C2=A0=C2=A0

On Sunday, August 25, 2002 4:53:= 08 AM UTC+4, Jorge Llambias wrote:

la lojbab cusku di'e

>After verifying with Nora (so this is t= wo opinions as to what I meant), we
>were trying to deal with things = like cubes which have 6 sides/faces, and
>the orientation is arbitrar= y. =C2=A0So x3 would be the direction that the side
>of the cube is f= acing.

Let's work with actual examples:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 le bo= lci cu zunle le kubli mi
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 le bolci cu mlana le kubli fo mi<= /p>

The ball is to the left of the cube (considering the cube as facing m= e).
The ball is to the side of the cube (considering the cube as facing<= br>or with its back to me, same thing).

The "front" of the = cube is the side that faces me.
In this case, the ball has no face, so x= 3 of mlana is meaningless,
right?

>The note in the cf. applies = in particular to zunle and pritu, and I was
>trying to clarify how ml= ana differs from them. =C2=A0In those two, the frame of
>reference is= determined by what direction is "front".

Front of x2, righ= t? Not front of the speaker.

>In mlana, the
>orientation is = not so limited, and x2 could be facing in any direction, and
>x4 coul= d be specified independent of how x2 is facing.

Could you give an exa= mple? Do you mean that I could say
{le bolci cu mlana la djan} when the = ball is in front of
John? In that case, what would I put in x3 and x4?

>The wording of the
>note says that zunle and pritu ARE limit= ed in that x3 of those words must
>be the front.

Isn't x4 o= f mlana the same thing as x3 of pritu/zunle?

>I'll accept sugg= estions for better wording, should clarifications be
>permitted in th= e dictionary. =C2=A0I'll agree that the wording is anything but
>= clear as it is.

I'm not sure I understand what x3 of mlana is for= yet.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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