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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 19:55:26 -0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Growth and decline in lojbanistan
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Did you do any metrics on jbo.wikipedia ?


On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 6:53 PM, mukti <shunpiker@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:11:54 PM UTC-3, clifford wrote:
>
>> There was then a dearth of interesting problems for a while.  I am not
>> sure that that one controversy and its two main participants should be used
>> to make any general claims about Lojban's popularity, etc.
>>
>
> To be clear, I'm not trying to measure *popularity* so much as *activity *--
> not how many people have been exposed to lojban or what their sentiments
> are towards it, but rather, the extent to which people are actively
> discussing and using lojban. For these purposes, an extended debate about
> some aspect of lojban is a positive indicator. A lack of "interesting
> problems" -- problems and/or interest -- registers as a negative
> indication. (Disgusted silence would also count as a negative -- it seems
> to me that it ought to!)
>
> Activity is a difficult thing to measure. Gleki suggested including tiki
> edits, which ties in with lojbab's observations about how communications
> have diffused across different channels over time. I'm interested to hear
> other suggestions about how to construct a more complete account of the use
> of lojban over time. It's my hope that such measurements can play a part in
> future policy discussions.
>
> mi'e la mukti mu'o
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Did you do any metrics on jbo.wikipedia ?<div><br></div></=
div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 1=
7, 2014 at 6:53 PM, mukti <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shunpiker=
@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">shunpiker@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span class=3D""><div>On We=
dnesday, September 17, 2014 12:11:54 PM UTC-3, clifford wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"color:#000;backgrou=
nd-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Luci=
da Grande,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>There was then a dearth of =
interesting problems for a while. =C2=A0I am not sure that that one controv=
ersy and its two main participants should be used to make any general claim=
s about Lojban&#39;s popularity, etc.</span></div></div></div></blockquote>=
<div><br></div></span><div>To be clear, I&#39;m not trying to measure=C2=A0=
<i>popularity</i>=C2=A0so much as=C2=A0<i>activity=C2=A0</i>-- not how many=
 people have been exposed to lojban or what their sentiments are towards it=
, but rather, the extent to which people are actively discussing and using =
lojban. For these purposes, an extended debate about some aspect of lojban =
is a positive indicator. A lack of &quot;interesting problems&quot; -- prob=
lems and/or interest -- registers as a negative indication. (Disgusted sile=
nce would also count as a negative -- it seems to me that it ought to!)</di=
v><div><br></div><div>Activity is a difficult thing to measure. Gleki sugge=
sted including tiki edits, which ties in with lojbab&#39;s observations abo=
ut how communications have diffused across different channels over time. I&=
#39;m interested to hear other suggestions about how to construct a more co=
mplete account of the use of lojban over time. It&#39;s my hope that such m=
easurements can play a part in future policy discussions.</div><span class=
=3D""><div><br></div><div>mi&#39;e la mukti mu&#39;o</div></span></div>

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