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Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 17:45:22 -0300
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Subject: Re: [lojban] The White Knight (Through the Looking Glass)
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On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 4:20 PM, 'John E Clifford' via lojban <
lojban@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Again, I don't quite get it (not sure just how {fau} works for starters)
, but {noi simlu lo ka milxe se fanza} works, too.

"fau" introduces a concomitant event, we use it to translate adverbial
participles. "noi" is not as good for this. Consider for example:

lo gerku noi pu ze'a kelci lo bolci cu jersi lo karce fau lo nu gy cmoni.
"The dog, which had been playing with the ball, chased the car barking."

"Had been playing with the ball" is a comment about the dog, it has nothing
to do with the chasing. "Barking" doesn't just describe the dog, it
describes how the dog chased the car.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 4:20 PM, &#39;John E Clifford&#39; via lojban <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com" target=3D"_=
blank">lojban@googlegroups.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><br></div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote">&gt; Again, I don&#39;t quite get it (not sure just how {=
fau} works for starters) , but {noi simlu lo ka milxe se fanza} works, too.=
<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">&quot;fau&quot; introduces a conco=
mitant event, we use it to translate adverbial participles. &quot;noi&quot;=
 is not as good for this. Consider for example:=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">lo gerku noi pu ze&#39;a ke=
lci lo bolci cu jersi lo karce fau lo nu gy cmoni.</div><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">&quot;The dog, which had been playing with the ball, chased the car=
 barking.&quot;</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote">&quot;Had been playing with the ball&quot; is a comment about the=
 dog, it has nothing to do with the chasing. &quot;Barking&quot; doesn&#39;=
t just describe the dog, it describes how the dog chased the car.</div><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">mu&#39;o mi&#39=
;e xorxes</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=C2=A0</div></div></div>

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