Received: from mail-qa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]:58335) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XWGkB-00074E-5Y for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 20:26:24 -0700 Received: by mail-qa0-f61.google.com with SMTP id m5sf150674qaj.26 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 20:26:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=user-agent:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:subject:from:date:to :message-id:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-transfer-encoding:content-type; bh=MNecYMKP7Ch8wqR91CcINUwb0huG9cF46pnIHFim8Ow=; b=LCooATXY1NZ8saLzv+ixLIv02MjanPWqUMHLqGwEg4ebqjjAktW1WXbxniVj2VksfD SwZvvxP1pMCVKsYBpI+RgUsnDL+jR/2oaXhuQ8scTRzJxjTmUbdLyxoY99SUic2IF5rh 5w8ylPvM5f4hGv7hn3bKoguapIPZXJvTUhhGm9Lq0nTURYAgRqYxh4MzIAspaWyxqYxv Gv72a1p8xPNvn1VCbyTYkOo5x/TQ00DFmmj0/pe2Dogv7MV6ySHINhuJHP9LOXhXNkq6 pMFBzBKRnO7OZArYc4aksLseXkUt4BmLNrpCb1hEO+6+cOpwxnIudaMZbTnv9chMgiCz H8Cw== X-Received: by 10.182.186.103 with SMTP id fj7mr417601obc.2.1411442776434; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 20:26:16 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.191.8 with SMTP id gu8ls1726751obc.7.gmail; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 20:26:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.45.162 with SMTP id o2mr23094182obm.20.1411442775995; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 20:26:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qg0-x236.google.com (mail-qg0-x236.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c04::236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t6si2265959qcd.0.2014.09.22.20.26.15 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 22 Sep 2014 20:26:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of comcaresvcs@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::236 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c04::236; Received: by mail-qg0-f54.google.com with SMTP id a108so3870628qge.41 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 20:26:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.172.198 with SMTP id m6mr28707084qaz.19.1411442775849; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 20:26:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.0.36] ([73.171.107.155]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 33sm9403323qgy.30.2014.09.22.20.26.14 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 22 Sep 2014 20:26:15 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <047d7b5d2f466cb9030503aacff3@google.com> References: <047d7b5d2f466cb9030503aacff3@google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [lojban] RE: Lojban Process From: Karen Stein Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 23:26:11 -0400 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-ID: X-Original-Sender: comcaresvcs@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of comcaresvcs@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=comcaresvcs@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Ok, it seems from the recent Logos discussion that at least some of the new= er lojban-followers/learners are confused on a basic point. Lojbab it's not= holding up the process of lojban "development" because of his personal des= ire for control, power, or to satisfy his personal desires. Years ago we (I= was an active member of LLG at the time) decided TOGETHER that the languag= e needed to be documented as it was before we opened it up to further chang= e through either legislated or organic change. There were, and are concrete= and week thought out reasons for this which Lojbab has tried to explain re= peatedly. He is doing this explaining and actively posing for this decision= to be followed as himself AND as the LLG President from then and again now= . Doing so is part of his responsibilities in that role. I've, and I'm sure= others as well, sat back and followed the posts on this and related topics= because he was doing this. Now, obviously, I feel the need to step in. I d= o not like seeing someone who has put in so much time and effort over so very many years into= the development of, dissemination of information about, and the management= of the organization behind Lojban being treated as a petty tyrant.=20 .karis --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.