Received: from mail-we0-f185.google.com ([74.125.82.185]:52852) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XWLGv-0000BS-5q for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 01:16:30 -0700 Received: by mail-we0-f185.google.com with SMTP id x48sf197112wes.12 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 01:16:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Jt9kSG3jpWBmRcymVKVLIvE8oDJHkTMbbXNbTiow8lE=; b=Uidrzmc/5mRMtMdFWtEasyL8QvPL91T3nkrPFVIirmRAEguBozxJPo51VzzOreoJYb iq4LJvMQbX4a/z1Wv47OOvZA3EQrsGIHd2ZmJZKR/51hQd/12+WR63jZJGZuQJTMBBwP M7e3s1VvmWAtEpsPC1QqpDiaddxNopvMB2L65eD/7w+3yAd0M/Lx6WmlEzgcUOEAVESe r/ZukisFhD3ahdYqFGmIdMr+ae56IqNaEq1oGxrxidbtpFr3TgoT/dgfK8Fx90y4gX9F t4DxNoPbb8VcpPn2RrIR5fe8lDyMEBqkF856eLefQf0LIOnT92SKRAy1qtfFNR/mghZ6 MgWw== X-Received: by 10.180.82.40 with SMTP id f8mr7886wiy.11.1411460181880; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 01:16:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.198.81 with SMTP id ja17ls567651wic.18.canary; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 01:16:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.76.230 with SMTP id n6mr2765810wiw.0.1411460181257; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 01:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-x234.google.com (mail-we0-x234.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c03::234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h1si93455wib.0.2014.09.23.01.16.21 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 23 Sep 2014 01:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::234 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c03::234; Received: by mail-we0-f180.google.com with SMTP id u56so4126063wes.25 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 01:16:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.20.139 with SMTP id n11mr21258341wie.22.1411460181059; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 01:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.175.167 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 01:16:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1601333.Pu2PiZtYxt@caracal> References: <1601333.Pu2PiZtYxt@caracal> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:16:20 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Question about Lojbanized Name in Unix/Linux From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec53d5b1fb5568e0503b72e88 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --bcaec53d5b1fb5568e0503b72e88 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2014-09-23 11:16 GMT+04:00 Pierre Abbat : > On Saturday, September 20, 2014 18:05:40 Alexander Kozhevnikov wrote: > > coi > > > > Is there an accepted alternative to the comma "," in lojban (like "h" i= s > > an accepted alternative to the apostrophe "'")? > > > > Background: I've been intending to get into lojban for years, and > > recently when switching from Windows to Linux, I decided I'd put the > > lojbanized version of my name in for my user's "full name". I write my > > name in lojban like so: > > > > .a,lekSANdr.koJEVni,kov. > > (I based it on my name's Russian pronunciation, not the American-Englis= h > > one.) > > What's your dialect of Russian? The standard one collapses =D0=BE and =D0= =B0 in > unstressed syllables and devoices final consonants like =D0=B2->=D1=84. B= ut I suppose > that Russians, at least literate ones, think of them as =D0=BE even if > pronounced > as =D0=B0 (la'a lo labru'o cu toltugni). > And although this might *sound* strange it preserves the *visual* form of the name. > > So here's the problem: In Unix/Linux, the user info is stored in the > > passwd file, and the full name in particular is stored in the "GECOS" > > field, which uses commas as a separator for its subfields, and (stupidl= y) > > has no escaping mechanism for the commas. > > > > So if I use the above name, the system ends up showing my name as just > > ".a". My current workaround is to use semicolons, which as I understand > it > > have no assigned meaning in lojban and should thus be possible to coopt > > without conflicts. > > > > Thoughts? > > Commas are ignored when determining whether two words are the same and > where > the default stress is (valfendi gets it wrong on "spatrxapi,o", but that'= s > what I thought it was when I wrote it). You can leave them out. > > > P.S. On the subject of my lojbanized name, I am also still hazy on when > to > > or not to put starting/terminating periods and when to precede with a > > 'la', so my apologies for any omissions or redundancies on that front. > > In cmene with more than one cmevla, I normally put periods with no spaces > between the components; e.g. "misisipis.rirx". I recently translated a ve= ry > long name, which came out as ".kic. bes.aviel. bes.tsyror. bes.bykorat. > bes.afiax." The pause before "aleksandr" is required regardless of dotsid= e, > because it begins with a vowel. > > Pierre > -- > The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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2014-09-23 11:16 GMT+04:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:
On Saturday, Sept= ember 20, 2014 18:05:40 Alexander Kozhevnikov wrote:
> coi
>
> Is there an accepted alternative to the comma "," in lojban = (like "h" is
> an accepted alternative to the apostrophe "'")?
>
> Background: I've been intending to get into lojban for years, and<= br> > recently when switching from Windows to Linux, I decided I'd put t= he
> lojbanized version of my name in for my user's "full name&quo= t;. I write my
> name in lojban like so:
>
> .a,lekSANdr.koJEVni,kov.
> (I based it on my name's Russian pronunciation, not the American-E= nglish
> one.)

What's your dialect of Russian? The standard one collapses =D0= =BE and =D0=B0 in
unstressed syllables and devoices final consonants like =D0=B2->=D1=84. = But I suppose
that Russians, at least literate ones, think of them as =D0=BE even if pron= ounced
as =D0=B0 (la'a lo labru'o cu toltugni).

<= /div>
And although this might sound strange it preserves the = visual form of the name.


> So here's the problem: In Unix/Linux, the user info is stored in t= he
> passwd file, and the full name in particular is stored in the "GE= COS"
> field, which uses commas as a separator for its subfields, and (stupid= ly)
> has no escaping mechanism for the commas.
>
> So if I use the above name, the system ends up showing my name as just=
> ".a". My current workaround is to use semicolons, which as I= understand it
> have no assigned meaning in lojban and should thus be possible to coop= t
> without conflicts.
>
> Thoughts?

Commas are ignored when determining whether two words are the same a= nd where
the default stress is (valfendi gets it wrong on "spatrxapi,o", b= ut that's
what I thought it was when I wrote it). You can leave them out.

> P.S. On the subject of my lojbanized name, I am also still hazy on whe= n to
> or not to put starting/terminating periods and when to precede with a<= br> > 'la', so my apologies for any omissions or redundancies on tha= t front.

In cmene with more than one cmevla, I normally put periods with no s= paces
between the components; e.g. "misisipis.rirx". I recently transla= ted a very
long name, which came out as ".kic. bes.aviel. bes.tsyror. bes.bykorat= .
bes.afiax." The pause before "aleksandr" is required regardl= ess of dotside,
because it begins with a vowel.

Pierre
--
The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain.

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