Received: from mail-wg0-f60.google.com ([74.125.82.60]:35204) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XWTeb-0005op-3c for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 10:13:30 -0700 Received: by mail-wg0-f60.google.com with SMTP id a1sf440133wgh.5 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 10:13:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=S6H90PuNICzTLAywjtbYM7vuaJk08sSwKA0nNp6MOIc=; b=BuZcAIpDrMlMxgg8nSV99WFac96VBucv52LIEA+JmUfMUg9jsgz8DAuUbIK2GKs5FH kxaBT9FouPvicK+Dp91lxiFU1nbWId+L+BaSxr3BB6E9yTLK/X2BIIaHRJGabyOY4KOe oEVWaqkGuD1uhBK9Gq7yIP0V0KgdxfAHHgkoFHNUy5UC3PanJtYylBP/vzHS4aIxzxcv U8avMy9p307bwHyCAGxxshaAPyqaFZB2tXQ3kl8ynqf0+51goSQqFg4BHt5auPFglaOn DlwuFuQi57CbgojPucQVulOG43ekQzmt0txHhtlrN5OlU2YZk762rx2HzpqNQgD+YAoO 0/Ig== X-Received: by 10.152.246.2 with SMTP id xs2mr14832lac.7.1411492402268; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 10:13:22 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.3.132 with SMTP id c4ls67206lac.88.gmail; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 10:13:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.190.102 with SMTP id gp6mr166503lbc.10.1411492401345; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 10:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x22f.google.com (mail-wg0-x22f.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c00::22f]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ca20si146037wib.3.2014.09.23.10.13.21 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 23 Sep 2014 10:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22f as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::22f; Received: by mail-wg0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id y10so5155679wgg.30 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 10:13:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.107.231 with SMTP id hf7mr24933277wib.79.1411492401182; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 10:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.175.167 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 10:13:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <54186B05.1000802@lojban.org> <54216771.9060804@gmail.com> <1411477094.38293.YahooMailNeo@web181101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 21:13:21 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Logos Initiative From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22f as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3bad772d010c0503beafa8 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --e89a8f3bad772d010c0503beafa8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable okay, but the initial point was about Toaq Dzu. English uses tones, just uses them in a different way. 2014-09-23 20:42 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : > > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Gleki Arxokuna < > gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> 2014-09-23 16:58 GMT+04:00 'John E Clifford' via lojban < >> lojban@googlegroups.com>: >> >>> Losing the thread here. But >>> English is a tonal language? >>> >> >> yes, say aloud this last phrase and hear the tone. >> > > "Tone is the use of pitch in language to distinguish lexical or > grammatical meaning =E2=80=93 that is, to distinguish or to inflect words= .[1] All > verbal languages use pitch to express emotional and other paralinguistic > information and to convey emphasis, contrast, and other such features in > what is called intonation, but not all languages use tones to distinguish > words or their inflections, analogously to consonants and vowels. Languag= es > that do have this feature are called tonal languages;" > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_(linguistics) > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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okay, but the initial point was about Toaq Dzu. English us= es tones, just uses them in a different way.

2014-09-23 20:42 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3= =ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:


On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Gleki Arxokun= a <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

2014-09-23 16:58 GMT+04:00 'John E Clifford' via lojban <lojban@googlegroups.com>:
Losing the thread here.=C2=A0 But= =C2=A0
Engl= ish is a tonal language?

yes, say aloud this last phrase and hear the tone.

"Tone is the use of pi= tch in language to distinguish lexical or grammatical meaning =E2=80=93 tha= t is, to distinguish or to inflect words.[1] All verbal languages use pitch= to express emotional and other paralinguistic information and to convey em= phasis, contrast, and other such features in what is called intonation, but= not all languages use tones to distinguish words or their inflections, ana= logously to consonants and vowels.=C2=A0Languages that do have this feature are called tonal languages;" =C2= =A0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_(linguistics)

mu'o mi'e xorx= es

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