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Clifford' via lojban" X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5BBBFC8F-0363-4B88-A736-8AD0A9B5CB22@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 13:58:41 -0500 To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.138.91.91 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass header.i=@yahoo.com; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Original-From: "John E. Clifford" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7ECAB2E9-AB9D-4DE5-BDC2-94CFB11F28AA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.3 X-Spam_score_int: -2 X-Spam_bar: / --Apple-Mail-7ECAB2E9-AB9D-4DE5-BDC2-94CFB11F28AA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 That is, not in the way a tonal language does. Sent from my iPad On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:13, Gleki Arxokuna wrot= e: > okay, but the initial point was about Toaq Dzu. English uses tones, just = uses them in a different way. >=20 > 2014-09-23 20:42 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: >=20 > 2014-09-23 16:58 GMT+04:00 'John E Clifford' via lojban : > Losing the thread here. But=20 > English is a tonal language? >=20 > yes, say aloud this last phrase and hear the tone. >=20 > "Tone is the use of pitch in language to distinguish lexical or grammatic= al meaning =E2=80=93 that is, to distinguish or to inflect words.[1] All ve= rbal languages use pitch to express emotional and other paralinguistic info= rmation and to convey emphasis, contrast, and other such features in what i= s called intonation, but not all languages use tones to distinguish words o= r their inflections, analogously to consonants and vowels. Languages that d= o have this feature are called tonal languages;" http://en.wikipedia.org/w= iki/Tone_(linguistics) >=20 > mu'o mi'e xorxes >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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That is, not in the way a= tonal language does.

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 23, 201= 4, at 12:13, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

okay, but the initial point was a= bout Toaq Dzu. English uses tones, just uses them in a different way.
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2014-09-23 20:42 = GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
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On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at= 1:12 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">2014-09-23 16:58 GMT+04:00 'John E Clifford= ' via lojban <lojban@googlegroups.com>:
Losing the thread here.  But&nb= sp;
English is a tonal lang= uage?

yes, = say aloud this last phrase and hear the tone.

"Tone is the use of pitch in language to disti= nguish lexical or grammatical meaning =E2=80=93 that is, to distinguish or = to inflect words.[1] All verbal languages use pitch to express emotional an= d other paralinguistic information and to convey emphasis, contrast, and ot= her such features in what is called intonation, but not all languages use t= ones to distinguish words or their inflections, analogously to consonants a= nd vowels. Languages that do have= this feature are called tonal languages;"  http://en.wikipedia.org= /wiki/Tone_(linguistics)

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