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Tone is often used as part of inflectional morphology in fully tonal
languages rather than solely as a phonemic contrast by which entirely
different morphemes are created. For examples, see Wikipedia on
"floating tone."

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Gleki Arxokuna
<gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
> Then a wrong term has been used for Toaq Dzu since tones there an in guas=
pi
> represent syntactic roles and dont create new words just like in English
> interrogative intonation ti'e doesnt produce new words.
>
> 2014-09-23 22:58 GMT+04:00 'John E. Clifford' via lojban
> <lojban@googlegroups.com>:
>
>> That is, not in the way a tonal language does.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:13, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> okay, but the initial point was about Toaq Dzu. English uses tones, just
>> uses them in a different way.
>>
>> 2014-09-23 20:42 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Gleki Arxokuna
>>> <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014-09-23 16:58 GMT+04:00 'John E Clifford' via lojban
>>>> <lojban@googlegroups.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Losing the thread here.  But
>>>>> English is a tonal language?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yes, say aloud this last phrase and hear the tone.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Tone is the use of pitch in language to distinguish lexical or
>>> grammatical meaning =E2=80=93 that is, to distinguish or to inflect wor=
ds.[1] All
>>> verbal languages use pitch to express emotional and other paralinguisti=
c
>>> information and to convey emphasis, contrast, and other such features i=
n
>>> what is called intonation, but not all languages use tones to distingui=
sh
>>> words or their inflections, analogously to consonants and vowels. Langu=
ages
>>> that do have this feature are called tonal languages;"
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_(linguistics)
>>>
>>> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>>>
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