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Gleki Arxokuna, On 23/09/2014 17:18:
> 2014-09-23 18:03 GMT+04:00 And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com <mailto:and.ros=
ta@gmail.com>>:
>     Gleki Arxokuna, On 23/09/2014 13:44:
>         2014-09-23 16:28 GMT+04:00 And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com <mailto=
:and.rosta@gmail.com> <mailto:and.rosta@gmail.com <mailto:and.rosta@gmail.c=
om>>>:
>              Gleki Arxokuna, On 16/09/2014 17:57:
>              Second, the "clearly defined connection" between the diction=
aries would work only if for each word in the one language there is a word =
in the other language that always translates it, and this one-to-one transl=
ation is explicitly stated.
>
>              The only way this is going to happen is if the two languages=
 are deliberately designed to be intertranslatable.
>
>         Since this project is/would be based on Loglan and Lojban then it=
 is implied.
>
>     I don't think it is implied.
>
> The Logos Initiative clearly states the sources.

What document are you looking at? I can't find anything relevant, and what =
I have seen in passing does not imply that being "based on" or "sourced fro=
m" Lojban will entail intertranslatability with Lojban. Indeed, anything in=
tertranslatable with Lojban would immediately suffer the very failings of L=
ojban, when the project is intended to remedy Lojban's failings. That is, y=
ou want a logical language to yield a logical formula, not to yield a trans=
lation into Lojban, which does not yield a logical formula.

>         english is a tonal language.
>
>     It isn't a tone language. Whether tone plays any role at all in Engli=
sh (i.e. intonation) is debatable; it's generally held that it does, and I =
think that it probably indeed does, but the evidence is not overwhelming.
>
> Indeed. Indeed?

Indeed. Do the rules that specify licit English sentences include specifica=
tion of tone? My answer is "Probably yes, but that isn't as obvious as most=
 people assume it is", tho I say that on the basis only of a cursory study =
of English intonation.

>         i wonder if there are non tonal languages except lojban.
>
>     There are thousands that are as tonal as Lojban is.
>
> Most known examples?

The large majority of other invented languages besides Lojban are not tone =
languages, and of those, only a tiny minority have any specification for in=
tonation. I suppose you might argue that Lojban's putative audiovisual isom=
orphism means it cannot have intonatioal rules, whereas for most invented l=
anguages intonation rules are merely unspecified rather than forbidden. If =
you were to argue that then I will concede your point. (My own loglang has =
tone but -- by design -- not intonation.)

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