Received: from mail-wi0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]:49217) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XWnVm-0001W5-Ce for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 07:25:50 -0700 Received: by mail-wi0-f189.google.com with SMTP id ho1sf614493wib.16 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 07:25:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=f161CJUdPrc1gsim3Hblk0gKW9f/p03h3E2PGxbpFDs=; b=eeEkBFuTOO3OnEfcrVP11TATQSEFwCLkAXBIWsA4UyD12qNsrAee/Outn6jeg0bE/J uYyE7X3SJ1UxKjrIqIff8HkZ0tYwspzTVD6zVUUDfb0EQt5RuhlQBu8zxciXrSJ+Xh+1 Ynsa4/iXhOcp0kAsDbU7X038T59yb/UMqzXkW0FBftPsqvtkfPqK14yGKDILd2xJj40u pz6sZSmMYOQJ3HZ0CZNhQG0fNdofSweng3V6xLq/vAQ4gXx7FO3fFHaitiC13afvJy6b 8SdQqbyIFjxEOoB1NanHReDBrjTZechqct+7yVInaMup+h/KlURJFEPxSElGWAxRWrOU zyNA== X-Received: by 10.180.90.135 with SMTP id bw7mr72979wib.21.1411568735528; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 07:25:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.76.143 with SMTP id k15ls495282wiw.33.canary; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 07:25:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.108.70 with SMTP id hi6mr4113439wib.4.1411568735175; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 07:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-x22b.google.com (mail-lb0-x22b.google.com [2a00:1450:4010:c04::22b]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id us10si568541lbc.1.2014.09.24.07.25.35 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 24 Sep 2014 07:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c04::22b as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c04::22b; Received: by mail-lb0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id l4so10720392lbv.2 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 07:25:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.14.199 with SMTP id r7mr6579130lbc.58.1411568735077; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 07:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.25.229 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 07:25:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1411567412.85594.YahooMailNeo@web181102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <5f6a7dec-3c5d-477d-bd73-5bd69726b713@googlegroups.com> <1411515475.42591.YahooMailNeo@web181103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1465cea2-41be-48ac-8f02-934d4a4b904b@googlegroups.com> <88e103a9-04e1-4739-97c2-f37fa457e4a8@googlegroups.com> <90cb23e1-0ed7-4b3c-9626-c31c4c8a8076@googlegroups.com> <1411567412.85594.YahooMailNeo@web181102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 11:25:35 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Mathy person interested in concept, unsure where to begin. From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c04::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11332fee07ca5e0503d075ea X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11332fee07ca5e0503d075ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 11:03 AM, 'John E Clifford' via lojban < lojban@googlegroups.com> wrote: > The most clearly missing item in this area is the big one, a program for > converting any Lojban sentence to a formula of an appropriate logic > formulary. Or, conversely (or perhaps reciprocally) a set of > transformations for converting formulae of logic into grammatical sentences > of Lojban. > The second part, converting logical formuae into gramatical sentences of Lojban is actually rather trivial. The Lojban to logic is non-trivial because Lojban allows many shortcuts and non-logical elements that are not always well defined, but you are never required to use those when going in the logic to Lojban direction.. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --001a11332fee07ca5e0503d075ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 11:03 AM, 'John E Clifford' via lojban = <lojban@googlegroups.com> wrote:
The most clearly missing item in this area is the = big one, a program for converting any Lojban sentence to a formula of an ap= propriate logic formulary.=C2=A0 Or, conversely (or perhaps reciprocally) a= set of transformations for converting formulae of logic into grammatical s= entences of Lojban.

The second part, converting logical formuae into gramatical sentences of= Lojban is actually rather trivial. The Lojban to logic is non-trivial beca= use Lojban allows many shortcuts and non-logical elements that are not alwa= ys well defined, but you are never required to use those when going in the = logic to Lojban direction..

mu'o mi'e xorx= es

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