Received: from mail-qc0-f183.google.com ([209.85.216.183]:59001) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XWtlH-0000cs-CL for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 14:06:12 -0700 Received: by mail-qc0-f183.google.com with SMTP id w7sf288957qcr.20 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 14:06:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=eYfkwCEooGyvZe3g3M3+GparCBoYyvp39nxCMlR9sG0=; b=BgOf2ElgPeraG3aFW6Od9id9vYaVj6nuiDOKVURsxp4G6bAvQjtgY1obHD2FLyuVuT OfBaCFKzK9KBIjr5vUWe9PvdJjKT84Ahuq9c0H5sUl/HNJPqN+Oelfx7LvhtMQRVFb6P yZjdyFO7ElI0xLsZhCl4SF19fMXA6XKVi1nhzzUOuky4f8tk4lIipmaRan0zbxzYGWaf 8uAPI3P4VbxThmpEAYoVcz/LMDhIwDa9I0PvS6aTo+YLbuPruY1DF/uNnBLEZ8hFK0JG ZuhZ64MoFr9o/GS/znEf9N0uJGanl64TNKIyAr37fM8sRcA6p6LJYY9FP99x9LK3HMs8 1PUg== X-Received: by 10.50.97.74 with SMTP id dy10mr272823igb.1.1411592760818; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 14:06:00 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.50.240 with SMTP id f16ls989649igo.3.canary; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 14:06:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.43.69.18 with SMTP id ya18mr9428021icb.0.1411592760478; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 14:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qg0-x233.google.com (mail-qg0-x233.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c04::233]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k7si117769qcm.2.2014.09.24.14.06.00 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 24 Sep 2014 14:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::233 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c04::233; Received: by mail-qg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id a108so6551824qge.24 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 14:06:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.23.131 with SMTP id r3mr13026685qab.90.1411592760348; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 14:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.50.167 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 14:06:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7db9c9ea-0392-4148-a437-6d3332dc1b8e@googlegroups.com> References: <7db9c9ea-0392-4148-a437-6d3332dc1b8e@googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 15:06:00 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Beginner help, with also, How to reference product names that have no official Lojiban translation? From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::233 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2c5c20c596d0503d60d88 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c2c5c20c596d0503d60d88 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Romaji #### wrote: > Hello again. > I'd post this on the original thread I started with, but that kinda got > derailed. > I've read some of the guide who's link was posted in the other thread, and > I decided to try it out, creating this example sentence: > >> ko pilno la skipe. tavla .i >> > You can't have two selbri at the same level in a bridi, what you have is ungrammatical (it breaks at tavla). Also, {.i} /begins/ a statement, it doesn't end it, so you only need it if there's going to be another statement after that one. > Or, as I hope it translates to, "[I command you to] use Skype [to] talk" > or, in more fluid English "You need to use Skype to talk." > "You! use the-thing-named "skipe" " > I have 2 questions here > > 1. Is "la skipe" the proper way to refer to Skype (the > service/program) in lojiban? > > No. {skipe} is an undefined gismu (pronounced SKEE-peh). You want to use a cmevla, so {la.skaip.}, or possibly a fu'ivla, such as {skaipe}. > > 1. How would you add the clause "to me" at the end of > the senescence in Lojiban? > > Fill the x2 place of tavla. I'd go with {ko tavla mi sepi'o la.skaip.}: "You! talk to-me using-Skype." > Thanks in advance, > > Romaji #### > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Romaji #### <nxt101@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
Hello agai= n.
I'd post this on the original thread I started with, but that ki= nda got derailed.
I've read some of the guide who's link = was posted in the other thread, and I decided to try it out, creating this = example sentence:
ko pilno la skipe. tavla .i=A0

You can't have two selbri at the same level in a b= ridi, what you have is ungrammatical (it breaks at tavla). Also, {.i} /begi= ns/ a statement, it doesn't end it, so you only need it if there's = going to be another statement after that one.
=A0
=A0Or, as I hope it translates to, "[I command you to] use Skype [to= ] talk" or, in more fluid English "You need to use Skype to talk.= "

"You! use the-thing= -named "skipe" <PARSE ERROR!>"
=A0
=
I have 2 questions her= e
  1. Is "la skipe&qu= ot; the proper way to=A0refer=A0to Skype (the service/program) in lojiban?<= /span>
No. {skipe} is an undefined g= ismu (pronounced SKEE-peh). You want to use a cmevla, so {la.skaip.}, or po= ssibly a fu'ivla, such as {skaipe}.
=A0
  1. How would you add the clause "to me" at the end of the= =A0senescence=A0in Lojiban?
F= ill the x2 place of tavla.

I'd go with {ko tavla mi s= epi'o la.skaip.}: "You! talk to-me using-Skype."
=A0
Thanks in a= dvance,

Romaji ####
<= /blockquote>


--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'= ;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Co= me to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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