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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 20:03:32 -0300
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Mathy person interested in concept, unsure where to begin.
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 7:43 PM, 'John E Clifford' via lojban <
lojban@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Well, given that formula there isn't a lot to do but maybe team 1 coming
> up with 'da ge broda gi nai brode' or 'da na ku ge ganai broda gi brode'
>

That would be team 1 making extra Lojban -> Lojban moves that are not
always well defined, so risking messing up. If team 1 sticks with vanilla
FOPL -> Lojban without trying any additional fancy Lojban -> Lojban
shortcuts, then they can be assured that team 2 will be able to do the
Lojban -> FOPL without any trouble.

That's not to say that we don't need to define all the Lojban -> Lojban
shortcuts, of course we do, but they are not required in order to be able
to express any FOPL in Lojban. They are required to go the other way, and
express any Lojban in FOPL

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 7:43 PM, &#39;John E Clifford&#39; via lojban <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com" target=3D"_=
blank">lojban@googlegroups.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-fami=
ly:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:16px"><div><span>Well, given that formula there isn&#39;t a lot to =
do but maybe team 1 coming up with &#39;da ge broda gi nai brode&#39; or &#=
39;da na ku ge ganai broda gi brode&#39;</span></div></div></div></blockquo=
te><div><br></div><div>That would be team 1 making extra Lojban -&gt; Lojba=
n moves that are not always well defined, so risking messing up. If team 1 =
sticks with vanilla FOPL -&gt; Lojban without trying any additional fancy L=
ojban -&gt; Lojban shortcuts, then they can be assured that team 2 will be =
able to do the Lojban -&gt; FOPL without any trouble.</div><div><br></div><=
div>That&#39;s not to say that we don&#39;t need to define all the Lojban -=
&gt; Lojban shortcuts, of course we do, but they are not required in order =
to be able to express any FOPL in Lojban. They are required to go the other=
 way, and express any Lojban in FOPL</div><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#=
39;e xorxes</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0</div></div></div></div>

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