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References: <7db9c9ea-0392-4148-a437-6d3332dc1b8e@googlegroups.com> <66f51bb7-ace9-46b2-ba4d-47f9b35acd08@googlegroups.com> <3545684b-1984-4a09-83bb-5e3e5a8ce6a6@googlegroups.com> <788aa170-a48b-498f-bdb7-b7987ffabf18@googlegroups.com> From: "'John E. Clifford' via lojban" X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <457637AB-B979-4FD7-81EA-2F25EDE6CA77@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 18:19:30 -0500 To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.138.91.225 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass header.i=@yahoo.com; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Original-From: "John E. Clifford" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-41685D3B-F630-496A-85AF-FAD5ABAEA20A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.5 X-Spam_score_int: -4 X-Spam_bar: / --Apple-Mail-41685D3B-F630-496A-85AF-FAD5ABAEA20A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Or surround {romaji} with forced pauses, written {la .romaji.} Sent from my iPad On Sep 24, 2014, at 18:06, Ian Johnson wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Romaji #### wrote: > Thank you. > (P.S. Would the equivalent of your sig be "me'i la romaji mu'o", or is there some Illegal combination of letters there?) > It'd be {mi'e}, but there's a technical problem with {romaji} as a name. For morphology reasons with which you needn't be concerned yet, {romaji} is actually {ro ma ji}, three cmavo. So it can't be a valid name. > > The standard fix is to stick an arbitrary consonant onto the end. This makes a cmevla (the same word class as {.skaip.}), which can only serve as names. 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Or surround {romaji} with= forced pauses, written {la .romaji.}

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On Sep 24, 2014, at 18:06, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

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On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Romaji #= ### <nxt101@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you.
(P.S. Would the equivalent of your sig b= e "me'i la romaji mu'o", or is there some Illegal combination of letters th= ere?)
It'd be {mi'e}, but there's a techni= cal problem with {romaji} as a name. For morphology reasons with which you = needn't be concerned yet, {romaji} is actually {ro ma ji}, three cmavo. So = it can't be a valid name.

The standard fix is to stick an arbitrary= consonant onto the end. This makes a cmevla (the same word class as {.skai= p.}), which can only serve as names. The most common choice is {s}, which w= ould make your sig {mi'e la .romajis. mu'o}.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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