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From: "Romaji ####" To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nxt101@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nxt101@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nxt101@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0163412cbccd460503d7efbd X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --089e0163412cbccd460503d7efbd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 wait, I don't need the forced pauses and the consonant? On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 7:19 PM, 'John E. Clifford' via lojban < lojban@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Or surround {romaji} with forced pauses, written {la .romaji.} > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 24, 2014, at 18:06, Ian Johnson wrote: > > > > On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Romaji #### wrote: > >> Thank you. >> (P.S. Would the equivalent of your sig be "me'i la romaji mu'o", or is >> there some Illegal combination of letters there?) >> > It'd be {mi'e}, but there's a technical problem with {romaji} as a name. > For morphology reasons with which you needn't be concerned yet, {romaji} is > actually {ro ma ji}, three cmavo. So it can't be a valid name. > > The standard fix is to stick an arbitrary consonant onto the end. This > makes a cmevla (the same word class as {.skaip.}), which can only serve as > names. The most common choice is {s}, which would make your sig {mi'e la > .romajis. mu'o}. > > mi'e la latro'a mu'o > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/IvEn-0BXCe0/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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wait, I don't need the forced pauses and the consonant= ?

On Wed, Se= p 24, 2014 at 7:19 PM, 'John E. Clifford' via lojban <lojban= @googlegroups.com> wrote:
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Or surround {romaji} with forced pauses, writt= en {la .romaji.}

Sent from my iPad

On= Sep 24, 2014, at 18:06, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:



On = Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Romaji #### <nxt101@gmail.com> = wrote:
Thank you.
(P= .S. Would the equivalent of your sig be "me'i la romaji mu'o&q= uot;, or is there some Illegal combination of letters there?)
It'd be {mi'e}, but there's a technical pro= blem with {romaji} as a name. For morphology reasons with which you needn&#= 39;t be concerned yet, {romaji} is actually {ro ma ji}, three cmavo. So it = can't be a valid name.

The standard fix is to stick an arbitrar= y consonant onto the end. This makes a cmevla (the same word class as {.ska= ip.}), which can only serve as names. The most common choice is {s}, which = would make your sig {mi'e la .romajis. mu'o}.

mi'e la la= tro'a mu'o

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