Received: from mail-lb0-f186.google.com ([209.85.217.186]:44522) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XX9Mg-0008VI-Fm for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 06:45:53 -0700 Received: by mail-lb0-f186.google.com with SMTP id 10sf822695lbg.23 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 06:45:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=LWW7yvUUWK+vLddEA0bnQrz3Ejsf9aN4SRdO/vNMY9o=; b=X83kal2TcDDMNbnOz5icKTMoDVAlpvUUflmRi2R69nNBuXUVFj0TY0OAKH4zfrjA2B sldvJZnWpG3pFMZMV3isRwBdEvxJaD09U8Yyr2CorSILmEE4p7jmChd/masNfs8lC6WW h8wH284iXH9t6Lcbr3FihvYIHB/75jZ0MJhdWXEcTq9OL5qX3JpYATxKJCNOMPpR61Lp 4Gtk8XxQl0Qd5PrIDvHzADq60FvGL2nU4TfbQuYPoxtiNfxJUhdX3CoeQebmsOiSvt75 MO63OBG57U259HNLFCDmjZ1zXVcxcoTOIdGctOp2k8MOYVlV6OPR01+wyrh9hNCnBo4/ cjMw== X-Received: by 10.152.43.43 with SMTP id t11mr281893lal.4.1411652737811; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 06:45:37 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.19.5 with SMTP id a5ls280908lae.19.gmail; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 06:45:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.157.193 with SMTP id wo1mr412493lbb.19.1411652736923; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 06:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-x22c.google.com (mail-we0-x22c.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c03::22c]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j12si176558wie.2.2014.09.25.06.45.36 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 25 Sep 2014 06:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22c as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c03::22c; Received: by mail-we0-f172.google.com with SMTP id p10so7601944wes.31 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 06:45:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.83.6 with SMTP id m6mr15860744wjy.90.1411652736817; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 06:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.175.167 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 06:45:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1411652624.10135.YahooMailNeo@web181102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <7db9c9ea-0392-4148-a437-6d3332dc1b8e@googlegroups.com> <66f51bb7-ace9-46b2-ba4d-47f9b35acd08@googlegroups.com> <3545684b-1984-4a09-83bb-5e3e5a8ce6a6@googlegroups.com> <788aa170-a48b-498f-bdb7-b7987ffabf18@googlegroups.com> <457637AB-B979-4FD7-81EA-2F25EDE6CA77@yahoo.com> <694DB523-50C8-4EAB-9223-1FAE65745362@yahoo.com> <1411652624.10135.YahooMailNeo@web181102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 17:45:36 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Beginner help, with also, How to reference product names that have no official Lojiban translation? From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22c as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bb04c7aeca3060503e403d6 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7bb04c7aeca3060503e403d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 You can still use old method. They dont conflict. When a person looks at {.djan.} they would ask themselves "Why the dot in the front? Something new here, I must learn about it." 2014-09-25 17:43 GMT+04:00 'John E Clifford' via lojban < lojban@googlegroups.com>: > This still divides people but the dotside position (accepting the change) > seems to be winning (and I used it earlier). > > > > On Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:36 AM, Alex Kozhevnikov < > alexkoz@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Since we're talking about valid cmevla, I've been wondering, how much > adoption has this seen? > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Case+Against+LA > > Personally I found the arguments in that page for the change > compelling, but since I'm new around here I have no context as to how > much acceptance it has gotten. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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You can still use old method. They dont conflict.
When= a person looks at {.djan.} they would ask themselves "Why the dot in = the front? Something new here, I must learn about it."

2014-09-25 17:43 GMT+= 04:00 'John E Clifford' via lojban <lojban@googlegroups.com<= /a>>:
This still div= ides people but the dotside position (accepting the change) seems to be win= ning (and I used it earlier).



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On Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:3= 6 AM, Alex Kozhevnikov <alexkoz@gmail.c= om> wrote:


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