Received: from mail-wg0-f57.google.com ([74.125.82.57]:37131) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XXB2Y-0001o2-93 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 08:33:12 -0700 Received: by mail-wg0-f57.google.com with SMTP id y10sf735117wgg.12 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 08:32:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ycvNCqVek1A7cJX4PpaPmMMWziOfY1wtaTv9JTM0Kpk=; b=LUO/wy1P9/YnNXmSiMs553DeAiM39f0NqTd7RhkP3kDwJTdeFt7XiBEnQtrOZrP/72 Tdx8d8GkCaMNPK/BwflrgQVzKqzypAWT3JDxmrLUAsEDKKAlRzMiwdbu8QHOWTrjH9OK /jCmbQWcUj102mzdHx8ty3H3v7PZUswwxOJk43cxQOMwHg5IXhkkjP3lI5yKjCdUu+JD 7N9DFTQjnabQXcnZl7fSGtJ1HjVB2bRvqqVI0Jlnk6EPnqdkReXeFvGlaFx3N+c0URaA QL3MEauvB7SWQdbgZjxuJstwxUdvKz+5XxBf1OnscYxULU8b2TduldW8hoFeZDnlOrQf 2Ngw== X-Received: by 10.152.5.37 with SMTP id p5mr13982lap.31.1411659179079; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 08:32:59 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.120.200 with SMTP id le8ls303832lab.101.gmail; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 08:32:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.6.138 with SMTP id b10mr544250lba.18.1411659178337; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 08:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-x22e.google.com (mail-la0-x22e.google.com [2a00:1450:4010:c03::22e]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fa3si468289lbc.0.2014.09.25.08.32.58 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 25 Sep 2014 08:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::22e as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c03::22e; Received: by mail-la0-f46.google.com with SMTP id gi9so2551918lab.33 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 08:32:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.9.200 with SMTP id c8mr14451765lab.76.1411659178226; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 08:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.25.229 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 08:32:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7db9c9ea-0392-4148-a437-6d3332dc1b8e@googlegroups.com> <66f51bb7-ace9-46b2-ba4d-47f9b35acd08@googlegroups.com> <3545684b-1984-4a09-83bb-5e3e5a8ce6a6@googlegroups.com> <788aa170-a48b-498f-bdb7-b7987ffabf18@googlegroups.com> <457637AB-B979-4FD7-81EA-2F25EDE6CA77@yahoo.com> <694DB523-50C8-4EAB-9223-1FAE65745362@yahoo.com> <1411652624.10135.YahooMailNeo@web181102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 12:32:58 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Beginner help, with also, How to reference product names that have no official Lojiban translation? From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::22e as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1132efa0dcbba30503e5837b X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a1132efa0dcbba30503e5837b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > Why would one put a dot before a gismu? > Only to prove a point, as far as I can see. You are always allowed to pause between any two words. Never in the middle of a word. That's a basic morphological rule of Lojban. It's non standard and thus requires learning something new, namely, the > dotside. > When you are speaking, it makes no difference. The point is that the sequence "la.gl=C3=A9kilaxorxes.cud=C3=A1rxi" has different interpretations= depending on whether you use the dotside rule for cmevla or the doilalaila'a rule. If both rules were fully compatible there would heve never been so much discussion about the issue. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --001a1132efa0dcbba30503e5837b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <= gleki.is.my= .name@gmail.com> wrote:
Why would one put a dot before a gismu?

Only to prove a point, as far as I can see. You are alway= s allowed to pause between any two words. Never in the middle of a word. Th= at's a basic morphological rule of Lojban.

It's non standard and thus requ= ires learning something new, namely, the dotside.
When you are speaking, it makes no difference. The point is th= at the sequence "la.gl=C3=A9kilaxorxes.cud=C3=A1rxi" has differen= t interpretations depending on whether you use the dotside rule for cmevla = or the doilalaila'a rule. If both rules were fully compatible there wou= ld heve never been so much discussion about the issue.

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mu'o mi'e xorxes

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