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From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22a as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e010d8580e257660503e5aee1 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --089e010d8580e257660503e5aee1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2014-09-25 19:32 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Gleki Arxokuna < > gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Why would one put a dot before a gismu? >> > > Only to prove a point, as far as I can see. You are always allowed to > pause between any two words. Never in the middle of a word. That's a basi= c > morphological rule of Lojban. > > It's non standard and thus requires learning something new, namely, the >> dotside. >> > > When you are speaking, it makes no difference. > in speaking yes. in writing pause here is non standard. why not just "space"? > The point is that the sequence "la.gl=C3=A9kilaxorxes.cud=C3=A1rxi" has d= ifferent > interpretations depending on whether you use the dotside rule for cmevla = or > the doilalaila'a rule. 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2014-09-25 19:32 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.co= m>:


On= Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@= gmail.com> wrote:
Why would one put a dot before a gismu?
Only to prove a point, as far as I can see. You are alw= ays allowed to pause between any two words. Never in the middle of a word. = That's a basic morphological rule of Lojban.

It's non sta= ndard and thus requires learning something new, namely, the dotside.
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When you are speaking, it makes no d= ifference.

in spea= king yes. in writing pause here is non standard. why not just "space&q= uot;?
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The point is th= at the sequence "la.gl=C3=A9kilaxorxes.cud=C3=A1rxi" has differen= t interpretations depending on whether you use the dotside rule for cmevla = or the doilalaila'a rule. If both rules were fully compatible there wou= ld heve never been so much discussion about the issue.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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